The Official 2020 Census Thread

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

All he's left with now is FUD, creating Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt about whether people will be asked the citizenship question in 2020, which they won't.  There's no way to get it past SCOTUS in time and there's no way Congress agrees to either a delay or extra funding even if by some mischance I'm wrong about SCOTUS.  Roberts; decision left the door open to a future Census asking the question after having properly established a credible reason for asking it, not to Trump trying yet again to ask it in 2020.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Based on previous census-related case law, my prediction is that SCOTUS will rule that since the number of illegal immigrants was not actually enumerated, they can't be subtracted from the totals and then punt on the issue of what could have been done had they been enumerated.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Based on previous census-related case law, my prediction is that SCOTUS will rule that since the number of illegal immigrants was not actually enumerated, they can't be subtracted from the totals and then punt on the issue of what could have been done had they been enumerated.

There are some illegal aliens who are either in ICE detention facilities, or incarcerated in federal or state prisons with a deportation order on completion of their sentence.

And how will these be matched up to the census enumeration?  Color me skeptical about the impartiality, as well as the adequacy of potential matching techniques save for those in custody on April 1 itself.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Persons who do not have a right of residency, can not lawfully be residents in the United States. Citizens of course have a right of residency, as do permanent resident aliens. Those are the persons contemplated as being counted under the 14th Amendment.

The Constitution, both originally and as amended, never contemplates the easy transportation and communication we enjoy today.  Furthermore, it wasn't until the 20th century that the US imposed limits on how many people could emmigrate here.  The people who wrote the 14th Amendment and the Constitution never even contemplated unauthorized immigration^*, let alone the level of unauthorized immigration that we have.  There is no originalist interpretation to be had here.

Moreover, you seem to be deliberately misrepresenting my point, tho I admit, I did leave much to context, as I thought it wasn't needed to be explicitly repeated by me for readers to understand my point.  The Courts have consistently rejected all attempts to use estimates of any sort to adjust Census results.  Hence, except where it can be shown that specific persons enumerated in the Census are unauthorized immigrants, I can't see the Court allowing the count to be adjusted.  This has nothing to do with whether or not unauthorized immigrants should be counted, but everything to do with the requirement for the Census to be an actual count.

^*It wasn't even until the Page Act of 1875 that any limits on immigration of free persons existed, and those limits were based on national origin, not quantity.  Previous Naturalization Acts had only restricted which immigrants were eligible to become citizens.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Persons who do not have a right of residency, can not lawfully be residents in the United States. Citizens of course have a right of residency, as do permanent resident aliens. Those are the persons contemplated as being counted under the 14th Amendment.

The Constitution, both originally and as amended, never contemplates the easy transportation and communication we enjoy today.  Furthermore, it wasn't until the 20th century that the US imposed limits on how many people could emmigrate here.  The people who wrote the 14th Amendment and the Constitution never even contemplated unauthorized immigration^*, let alone the level of unauthorized immigration that we have.  There is no originalist interpretation to be had here.

Moreover, you seem to be deliberately misrepresenting my point, tho I admit, I did leave much to context, as I thought it wasn't needed to be explicitly repeated by me for readers to understand my point.  The Courts have consistently rejected all attempts to use estimates of any sort to adjust Census results.  Hence, except where it can be shown that specific persons enumerated in the Census are unauthorized immigrants, I can't see the Court allowing the count to be adjusted.  This has nothing to do with whether or not unauthorized immigrants should be counted, but everything to do with the requirement for the Census to be an actual count.

^*It wasn't even until the Page Act of 1875 that any limits on immigration of free persons existed, and those limits were based on national origin, not quantity.  Previous Naturalization Acts had only restricted which immigrants were eligible to become citizens.

Illegal aliens by definition are not inhabitants. They have no right to residency - to be inhabitants.

The Census has regularly excluded visitors, even though they are "persons" and are "in" the United State. Moreover they have included "persons" who are not "in" the United States, and used administrative records to do so. These practices continue.

Your argument is not that illegal aliens should be included in the census, but that it may be difficult to exclude them.

You have assumed certain things in Trump's executive order that are not actually present.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-excluding-illegal-aliens-apportionment-base-following-2020-census/

Did you even bother to read my post? I explicitly stated my argument had nothing to do with whether or not unauthorized immigrants should be counted, but that if anyone is to be removed (or added), they must actually be counted, not estimated.

Like most EOs, Trump's is quite vague and general and given the way Trump's administration has done things, I don't trust that they won't be removing only unauthorized immigrants from the count or that they will necessarily remove them from the right places.  If you want people to trust the Trump administration to do things correctly, it would help if they didn't keep effing things up all the time.