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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: December 07, 2017, 10:11:33 PM »

It wasn't a bright move, but it's only a minor disaster. He's cut the chance of him brokering a peace deal in half, from zero to zero. What has been hurt is our ability to influence governments in the area on other issues, but since Trump has already shown no ability to do that or the inclination to let others who can do diplomacy be diplomatic it's merely another straw the next president will next lift from the back of the American Middle East policy camel.
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2017, 08:40:09 PM »

Isreal pulled all their settlements out of the Sinai in the 1980s and out of Gaza in 2005 why can’t they do it again.
There weren't any negative implications for either security or Zionist goals in pulling out of the Sinai or out of Gaza.  As should be clear from my previous posts I'm hardly a fan of Israel trying to either impose an apartheid State in the West Bank or trying to annex it outright in a quest for Lebensraum, but a unilateral pullback to the 1967 borders would be downright idiotic as well.  If peace ever does happen it'll take time and negotiation.  Continuing to increase the size of the settlements is bad policy, but that certainly doesn't make a pullback sensible either.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 01:59:08 AM »

The two state solution is dead, if it was ever truly alive in the first place. The only real chance of a solution is some form of confederation with guaranteed minority rights for Jews and Palestinians. Hopefully that would open up Gaza and the West Bank for a much needed focus on economic issues rather than endless circle jerking around flegs and identiteh that only benefits a small crew of unrepresentative weirdos on both sides.

I can't see that working right now either.  The only potential long-term solution that doesn't involve the destruction of the State of Israel is for Israel to stop building new settlements, stop taking more land, and hope that a decade or two of status quo will have calmed things down enough that maybe talks can resume.  However, even if Israel were to do that, the chance of success is low.

Thing is, in the short-to-medium term, it is in the interest of Israeli governments to continue as they have been, which means we won't see a freeze, but the longer without a freeze the tougher it will be to get a real peace deal.  Israeli governments will likely continue kicking the can down the road until they get their asses kicked.

But it'll be a while unless Israel does something real stupid like knock down the Dome of the Rock so the Temple can be rebuilt. Absent a colossal blunder like that, the Arabs likely won't get their stuff together until they run out of oil.

 
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