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  What do you find immoral? (search mode)
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Question: Only check ones you think are immoral
#1
Abortion
 
#2
Death penalty
 
#3
Doctor-assisted suicide
 
#4
Sex before marriage
 
#5
Divorce
 
#6
Polygamy
 
#7
Pornography
 
#8
Birth control
 
#9
Teenage sex
 
#10
Homosexuality
 
#11
Gambling
 
#12
Unwed birth
 
#13
Stem cell research
 
#14
Suicide (in general)
 
#15
Medical testing animals
 
#16
Wearing clothes w/animal fur
 
#17
Cloning animals
 
#18
Cloning humans
 
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: March 06, 2014, 09:22:30 PM »

I checked "Stem cell research". Presuming you used it as a shorthand for "human embryonic stem cell research",  the available evidence indicates that we can get the same benefits without breaking up embryos.  Given the potential ethical issues, and the lack of clear benefits, we never should have rushed ahead with human embryonic stem cell research until we had verified that non-embryonic techniques would not work as well as embryonic techniques.  Unfortunately we do tend to rush ahead in science without bothering to adequately consider the moral implications of some lines of research.
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2014, 12:26:51 AM »

I checked "Stem cell research". Presuming you used it as a shorthand for "human embryonic stem cell research",  the available evidence indicates that we can get the same benefits without breaking up embryos.  Given the potential ethical issues, and the lack of clear benefits, we never should have rushed ahead with human embryonic stem cell research until we had verified that non-embryonic techniques would not work as well as embryonic techniques.  Unfortunately we do tend to rush ahead in science without bothering to adequately consider the moral implications of some lines of research.

Don't you generally need to use human cells to repair human tissue?  I thought the idea was that we could use adult human stem cells instead of embyonic stem cells.

But, I don't see the ethical problem anyway.  IVF creates more than enough unused embryos for research.  If the choice is letting the embryos die from freezer burn or using them for research, I don't see the ethical problem. 

Or perhaps IVF techniques shouldn't be creating unused embryos in the first place.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 07:35:12 PM »

I mean in the strictest possible sense. Given that homosexual behaviour has been observed in almost all animals (and I say almost as any inference has to be based on an observation) that procreate (and by extension, are 'sociable') in species separated by up to 200 million years of evolution, then given that it presents itself across species then there must be a reason why it still does, even as animals have evolved.

That assumes you accept the evil "theory" of evolution. Wink

Interestingly the ubiquitous presence of homosexuality in nature has proven to be a major problem to a lot of classically adaptationist evolutionary biology. It's clearly a trait with a long history in nature, but surely by its nature it should be selected against?

If it were a dominant genetic trait it would, but recessive traits or traits whose expression depend upon the environment can overall be evolutionarily favorable even if it decreases the chance of particular individuals to pass on the trait to their own offspring.  Sickle cell disease is the classic textbook example of a recessive trait where one copy good, two copies bad.  Similarly, the traits that lead to a high susceptibility to diabetes when there is plenty of food tend to give individuals who have them a better chance of survival when access to food is irregular.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2014, 07:53:46 AM »

I'll just note that the position that there cannot be morality without God has a long tradition and is a legitimate viewpoint. You can disagree with it but it isn't absurd and the people who are saying so in this thread don't seem to fully grasp the concept.

Also, teenage sex? So, if you're 19 and married it'd be immoral to have sex? How can anyone think that?

Roll Eyes  As one who does it myself at times, I can truly say there are few things more irritating than someone who uses a phrase as of its meaning depended upon the literal meaning of its component words rather than its actual meaning.
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