Bigotry towards whites

[Keystone Phil]

Widespread? Probably not. However, I don't like when the handwringers act like it doesn't exist or when people say our outrage is fake. Apparently, we have to pick and choose which bigotry is worthy of disgust.

[Keystone Phil]

Yes.

I'm having trouble understanding why people are saying "no"?

Well, I don't think it's widespread but a lot of the no votes (I didn't vote) come from handwringers.

[Keystone Phil]

Yes.

I'm having trouble understanding why people are saying "no"?

Well, I don't think it's widespread but a lot of the no votes (I didn't vote) come from handwringers.

and people who apparently don't live around large populations of African-Americans.

Clearly

I don't think anyone would call me a racist but I must say that it is hilarious to take race lectures from rich kids in the suburban Pacific Northwest, for example, who will probably see as many blacks in their lifetime as I'll see in a day.

[Keystone Phil]

Yes.

I'm having trouble understanding why people are saying "no"?

Well, I don't think it's widespread but a lot of the no votes (I didn't vote) come from handwringers.

and people who apparently don't live around large populations of African-Americans.

Clearly

I don't think anyone would call me a racist but I must say that it is hilarious to take race lectures from rich kids in the suburban Pacific Northwest, for example, who will probably see as many blacks in their lifetime as I'll see in a day.

I am not rich in any way and I don't choose to live in suburbia...

Haha, sorry. That wasn't meant for you. It was just a generic example. 

[Keystone Phil]

Tell me more about your daily contact with African Americans. I am truly curious.

Are you really unfamiliar with where I go to school? How about the city I live in/where I hang out? We've been over this before. I'm not lecturing anyone, saying that I'm some expert in race affairs. I'm just tired of kids in lily white suburbia acting like they know so much more and have lived, worked, played, etc. in diverse areas. You've said the same thing about handwringers in Vermont.

[Keystone Phil]

Tell me more about your daily contact with African Americans. I am truly curious.

Are you really unfamiliar with where I go to school? How about the city I live in/where I hang out? We've been over this before. I'm not lecturing anyone, saying that I'm some expert in race affairs. I'm just tired of kids in lily white suburbia acting like they know so much more and have lived, worked, played, etc. in diverse areas. You've said the same thing about handwringers in Vermont.

Actually, you've refused to elaborate when I've asked you in the past.

Uh, what? That's blatantly untrue.

 

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You said I refused to elaborate and then go on to explain what I've told you?

My neighborhood is very white. My high school almost completely lacked blacks. That being said, you ignored my points about where I hang out. As for my college, yes, it's in an overwhelmingly black neighborhood. I have classes with blacks. I interact with blacks. The point is that I deal with blacks more than some kid that can count the amount of blacks he'll see in a year on his hands.

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None today. None yesterday. I did the day before though.

I'm not in school right now so my "only" interaction with blacks is when I go downtown (which is actually quite frequent). When I'm in school, however, I have little doubt that I interact/see way more than you do. Temple is ranked as the second most diverse campus in America in an almost entirely black neighborhood.

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I'm not going to deny that you're one of the people I'm talking about. Again, we've been over this. You've given race lectures before and it's silly to do so when I see and deal with more blacks than you ever have. I'm not saying that you don't interact with blacks; I'm just saying that you're in no place to tell me about race relations when you live in an area more comparable to Vermont.

[Keystone Phil]

I don't believe you've ever mentioned it to me, so I do not feel like I can comment on the subject until you do.

I hang out in a very diverse area. It leads to interaction (whether it be minor or major) with all kinds of people.

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I count that as interaction. Maybe I have more direct interaction given my specific classes but I think having classes with different groups of people counts as "exposure."

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Ok? Good for you. Again, this isn't a contest. I'm just saying I don't need race lectures from someone who only just started seeing blacks when he got to college.

If we wanted to make this a contest, I'd easily see more than you on an average day on campus. If I'm bored later tonight, I'm going downtown. I'll easily see more than ten.

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In a day when I'm in school, yes, I will see more blacks than you will. No contest. Saying I'll see more in one day than you will in your life was an obvious exaggeration.

Again, this is not a contest. I don't care how many Asians (or Hispanics) you see. That wasn't the point here (though, you may want to rethink that considering where I go to school). This was about white race relations with blacks.

But if we want to get really specific, the specific area I live in within my neighborhood probably isn't as white as you think it is/as I've made it out to be. There are many Orientals (OMG I'M SORRY - ASIAN!!!) in my area. So now I really doubt your claim that you interact with more "Asians" than I do. My immediate next door neighbors have two adopted Korean children. Two houses down are two Chinese families. Immediately behind my house is another Chinese family. Two doors down from them there is a little row of Chinese families.

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This isn't about discrediting you. For probably the third time, I'm not saying that you don't have interaction with other races. I just don't want to take race lectures from someone who hasn't experienced a more diverse setting.

Even before college, I've lived in a major American city and I have never been confined to my white neighborhood.

I think my initial wording was a bit misunderstood. I don't believe you don't have experience with other races. I don't believe you're confined to a lily white area. I just think it's fair to say that when we compare both of our backgrounds, I've seen and heard a lot more and I'm not going around lecturing you about race relations.

[Keystone Phil]

I think we settled this elsewhere. 

[Keystone Phil]

Yes, just like the reverse. It's just so happens that the power structure is still predominantly white so it doesn't effect them that much. But if you look at minority majority areas it can get ugly (I'm with Flyers on that). In general 'race' relations are still nowhere near as good as we like to think.

Well, now that you mentioned me.  Wow, I'm only one of 2 Democrats who voted yes sofar, but I don't know if it's "widespread" per se.  Do I sense it?  Absolutely, but there is also bigotry of whites towards blacks that still exists.  There's even black-Hispanic prejudice back and forth.  I've come to the conclusion most, if not all, of us are inherently racist, but it will take time as we evolve as humans to be more tolerant.  I've worked at mixed race places and noticed the cateterias.  Now I've seen different races sit together, but it still seems like the whites go to one area and the blacks instinctively go to another.  Just because a lot of whites and Hispanics voted for Obama doesn't mean racial tension is dead.  Blacks will always have certain general opinions of whites and vice versa.   

Spot on. But be careful, they've called me 'racist' for saying the same thing.

The funny thing is that Flyers would probably still call a Republican a racist for saying the same. Or at least he used to a few years ago. He's said some pretty outrageous stuff regarding race relations and that was ok, in his eyes, but when I said things that weren't even remotely racist, he'd blast be for being a closet racist.

[Keystone Phil]

I just don't like it politicized. 

Right. You just like using Obama as a possible excuse for why black guys are more confident at clubs that you frequent. 

[Keystone Phil]

I just don't like it politicized. 

Right. You just like using Obama as a possible excuse for why black guys are more confident at clubs that you frequent. 

You got me.  I do find that some black men see white men as weak and nonaggressive at clubs and try to move in on white women.  With a fair number of black men, a white woman is a trophy and yes, I've heard black women get pissed at it as well.  Facts are facts. 

"Facts are facts." I love this. It's not even that I'm denying what you're saying. It's just your arrogance that amuses me. And, of course, it's ok when you do this.

[Keystone Phil]

I love the generalizations and racist crap being spewed out by both sides in this thread.

"I'm not racist, but I'll string up a n when he has it comin'"

I mean.. come on, people.  At least be honest with yourself.

I didn't say the n-word. 

After everything you say and you won't type "n?" Wow.