Abortion stance could haunt Casey in Senate bid

[Keystone Phil]

Simply put-  If the name is not Casey, the Democrat best better be pro-choice to win.  Because it's Casey, I think he'll be fine.

Don't you understand that you need a Pro Life Dem to keep many of the Dems from voting for Santorum?

[Keystone Phil]

Simply put-  If the name is not Casey, the Democrat best better be pro-choice to win.  Because it's Casey, I think he'll be fine.

Don't you understand that you need a Pro Life Dem to keep many of the Dems from voting for Santorum?

Yeah and do you understand we need pro-choice Republicans to vote against him along with the money that comes with it?

If I were to run personally, I would run pro-choice in ANY State House, Senate, or Congressional District because I know Union money would not be enough.  I would definitely need NARAL and Planned Parenthood dollars to put me over the top.  Now I know you're gonna say Brendan Boyle is pro-life.  Yes he is anti-choice, but he has many other things going for him.  I respect his views, but I think he might have done better as a pro-choicer.  Take a look at his district. 

Pro Life Democrats outnumber Pro Choice Republicans.

If you ran, you'd get crushed on the issue (in PA).

[Keystone Phil]

Simply put-  If the name is not Casey, the Democrat best better be pro-choice to win.  Because it's Casey, I think he'll be fine.

Don't you understand that you need a Pro Life Dem to keep many of the Dems from voting for Santorum?

Yeah and do you understand we need pro-choice Republicans to vote against him along with the money that comes with it?

If I were to run personally, I would run pro-choice in ANY State House, Senate, or Congressional District because I know Union money would not be enough.  I would definitely need NARAL and Planned Parenthood dollars to put me over the top.  Now I know you're gonna say Brendan Boyle is pro-life.  Yes he is anti-choice, but he has many other things going for him.  I respect his views, but I think he might have done better as a pro-choicer.  Take a look at his district. 

Pro Life Democrats outnumber Pro Choice Republicans.

If you ran, you'd get crushed on the issue (in PA).

Pro-choice candidates have won statewide.  Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Rendell, Specter, Heinz, Ridge and Hafer are adamantly pro-choice and have won the state!  It has also been polled that the majority of Pennsylvanians are pro-choice, though only between 50 and 55%.  The GOP has one advantage over the Democrats in PA: Geography.  Republicans are more diluted so to speak over a larger land area.  This gives them more room the draft district lines and keep Democrats compressed in urban areas.  Most PA GOP CDs are around 30-45% Dem, while the Dem CDs are much less then that in the GOP column, the lone exception being PA 13 which has many Montgomery County RINOs who vote Democratic yet have it on paper to deal with their townships better.

My take on the pro-life/pro-choice argument locally:  I think pro-choicers are less vocal about their points of view than pro-lifers.  I'll even go as far as saying NE Philly is a pro-choice leaning area. 

I won't even address the Clinton, Gore, Kerry point. You know my take on Dems on a national level. Specter, Heinz, Ridge - look at their opponents. Pro Choicer vs. Pro Choicer.

NE Philly is not Pro Choice leaning. Besides Butkovitz and Cohen, who are the prominent Pro Choice Dems in the NE Philly area?

[Keystone Phil]

NE Philly is not Pro Choice leaning. Besides Butkovitz and Cohen, who are the prominent Pro Choice Dems in the NE Philly area?

GERRYMANDERING!!!! GERRYMANDERING !!! GERRYMANDERING!!! 

Gerrymandering made McGeehan, Stack, Boyle, other NE Dems Pro Life?

[Keystone Phil]

Do you gentleman have a map of the area you are discussing, preferably with these house districts noted, so that us mere mortals can follow your debate?

PA 169 - O'BRIEN
PA 170 - KENNEY
PA 172 - PERZEL
PA 173 - McGEEHAN
PA 174 - BUTKOVITZ
PA 177 - TAYLOR


http://seventy.org/maps/mapimages/philahouse.pdf

[Keystone Phil]

NE Philly is not Pro Choice leaning. Besides Butkovitz and Cohen, who are the prominent Pro Choice Dems in the NE Philly area?

GERRYMANDERING!!!! GERRYMANDERING !!! GERRYMANDERING!!! 

Gerrymandering made McGeehan, Stack, Boyle, other NE Dems Pro Life?

Stack flip-flops right and left and Tartaglione is pro-choice.

Tartaglione's district includes parts of NE Philly but more of it is around the Center City area.

You also avoided my point. Gerrymandering did not make many NE Dems Pro Life.

[Keystone Phil]

NE Philly is not Pro Choice leaning. Besides Butkovitz and Cohen, who are the prominent Pro Choice Dems in the NE Philly area?

GERRYMANDERING!!!! GERRYMANDERING !!! GERRYMANDERING!!! 

Gerrymandering made McGeehan, Stack, Boyle, other NE Dems Pro Life?

Stack flip-flops right and left and Tartaglione is pro-choice.

Tartaglione's district includes parts of NE Philly but more of it is around the Center City area.

You also avoided my point. Gerrymandering did not make many NE Dems Pro Life.

My old State Senator was Tina Tartaglione and she has a fair amount of NE Philly.  She is active at St. Martin of Tours and pro-choice.  Yes there are anti-choice NE Dems.

You continue to ignore the point. You said, in the one post, "GERRYMANDERING!!! GERRYMANDERING!!! GERRYMANDERING!!!" That had nothing to do with NE Dems turning Pro Life.

[Keystone Phil]

Simply put-  If the name is not Casey, the Democrat best better be pro-choice to win.  Because it's Casey, I think he'll be fine.

Don't you understand that you need a Pro Life Dem to keep many of the Dems from voting for Santorum?

WHo are they going to vote for??  With Rendell at the top of the tiocket the Dems & Moderate Republicans in the Philly burbs will come out in strong numbers, they sure as hell aren't going to vote for Santorum

I've said this a million times (I've come to the conclusion that you just have a hard time understanding): a third party candidate (a Libertarian, for example) could steal a good amount of votes.

[Keystone Phil]

Good point.  Hey, I'd like to see Allyson Schwartz in 2010! 

So would I!

Agreed. Flyers, I think that people like Hoeffel or Hafer would still lose in 2010 but atleast have a better chance. Schwartz doesn't have a good chance at all.