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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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« on: August 26, 2012, 11:50:56 AM »

Huck may have a point but Akin is clearly the wrong battle to try and make it over. There are certain things you just can't say while running for elected office and Akin said one of them. Basically that's it.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,948
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Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2012, 08:18:42 PM »

Huck may have a point but Akin is clearly the wrong battle to try and make it over. There are certain things you just can't say while running for elected office and Akin said one of them. Basically that's it.

Agreed

I don't understand why saying something is what seems to bother you two so much, but not the actual policy in question that the stupid splitting-hairs-about-rape thing comes from. Absolutely granted that Akin has terrible opinions on literally everything, but sometimes I feel like Republicans get more upset about bad press than anything else, as if you're afraid to look in the policy-mirror and see Akin, or you've compartmentalized campaigning and policymaking from each other to such a degree that you can't understand how there is such a small leap from holding that policy position to making that statement.

Uhhh... because he just suggested you can't get pregnant by being raped. That's not called "social conservatism" that called stupid. And it's hugely detrimental to the pro-life cause because it helps to foster the attitude the being pro-life has nothing to do with life and is all about wanting to control women. He completely shifted the debate in the wrong direction. From a policy standpoint they might be the same, but campaigns do matter. Words do matter. How you conduct yourself matters. Real life isn't Atlasia; people expect competent governance. And really Marokai, the policy end is completely moot anyway at the moment because Roe is in place and the Human Life Amendment is politically feasible. The entire rape distinction is politically irrelevant because there aren't the votes to outlaw it anyway. And this entire argument is beside the point when it comes to abortion anyway because only 1% of US abortions occur because of rape anyway. Before worrying about that 1%, I want to see the other 99% outlawed first.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,948
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2012, 09:03:16 PM »

If Akin had actually said "forcible rape" instead of "legitimate rape" his problems would have been greatly reduced. "Legitimate" makes it sound as though every girl became pregnant after a rape was not legitimately raped. It's like saying, "she wasn't raped; she wanted it". You can't say that kind of stuff when running for office.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,948
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Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2012, 09:22:37 PM »

The policy end is completely moot anyway at the moment because Roe is in place and the Human Life Amendment is politically feasible.

Wait, the GOP's solution to 'massive government overreach into states rights by legalizing abortion' is via massive government overreach in the other direction?

A constitutional amendment trumps all else. States' rights are what they are because of the Constitution itself. If you change that, the entire premise is different.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,948
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Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2012, 09:42:31 PM »

It's ignored because while being policy it's still not actually going to be implemented. It's arguing about a hypothetical alternate reality.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,948
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2012, 09:57:00 PM »

Well in politics, we generally do try to win elections.

I know this may come as a shock to you Wink
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