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Beefalow and the Consumer
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Junior Chimp
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« on: March 10, 2020, 12:27:34 PM »

OK.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html

AtlasIntel isn't even listed in fivethirtyeight's pollster ratings.
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Beefalow and the Consumer
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Junior Chimp
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E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2020, 12:30:49 PM »

Also, what kind of Common Core Math gives Biden a +8 advantage over Bernie in the primary, but has Biden losing to Trump and Bernie beating Trump? I can't think of how you could even cherry pick a sample to get results like that.
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Beefalow and the Consumer
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,123
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Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2020, 01:51:25 PM »

Also, what kind of Common Core Math gives Biden a +8 advantage over Bernie in the primary, but has Biden losing to Trump and Bernie beating Trump? I can't think of how you could even cherry pick a sample to get results like that.

It is a stupid statement & can be easily explained by 1 or more of 3 things -

1. More GOP people cross over to Sanders - Unlikely. No Democrat has won 15-20% of the GOP vote in Decades & neither will Sanders or Biden.
2. Independents go for Sanders & Trump over Biden - Highly Likely. Even in 2020, in 70-80% of the states, Sanders has won more independents than Biden. This Sanders to Trump among Independents in the Mid-West was a common factor in 2016.
3. Many Sanders' supporters stay home - Also highly likely. 90K people voted Democratic downballot but chose not to vote for Clinton over Trump. Biden has no constituency & has the default electability vote while Sanders has a hardcore committed base & there will be a section of Bernie or Bust people.

I'm not sure I follow your logic.

2. Independents go for Sanders & Trump over Biden Party registration isn't required to vote in the primary. Are you saying there are that many voters who would choose Bernie over Trump, Trump over Biden, but will sit out the primary because they aren't all that interested in who the Democratic nominee is? I'm not buying it.

3. Many Sanders' supporters stay home

Trump 46, Biden 44 = 90% decided.
Sanders 46, Trump 43 = 89% decided.

If Sanders' supporters, when presented with a choice between Biden and Trump, respond that they'll just stay home, but they'll show up for Bernie Sanders against Trump, why does the percentage of decided voters go down with Sanders as the nominee instead of Biden?

+8 support for Biden among people voting in the Democratic primary should not result in Sanders doing worse than Biden in the general election. Something is very wonky about their sampling or methodology.
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