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Question: What is your opinion of Ho Chi Minh?
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Atlas Has Shrugged
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« on: November 06, 2015, 11:48:05 PM »

HP. Let's not get so caught up in condemning American involvement in Vietnam (which, for the record, was immoral and stupid) that we forget that the North Vietnamese regime was truly horrible.
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2015, 02:10:31 AM »

HP. Let's not get so caught up in condemning American involvement in Vietnam (which, for the record, was immoral and stupid) that we forget that the North Vietnamese regime was truly horrible.

Yeah, it's really horrible to make sure that people have a place to sleep, food to eat, adequate medical care, and a job. Roll Eyes


I think its funny how Lenin, Mao and Ho. Despite fighting for communism for their whole lives. Their countries eventually adopt capitalism


Interestingly enough, the USSR was never capitalist at any point during it's 70 year lifespan and capitalism itself was not restored there until the USSR was overthrown by internal counterrevolutionary elements among the Stalinist bureaucracy and external economic and military pressures. Likewise, both Vietnam and China retain state-owned, state-directed economies, in spite of adopting market-oriented reforms since the 1970s. Neither of those countries are capitalist, however.

As for the OP, Ho Chi Minh was a Stalinist despot who purged the Trotskyists (i.e. the actual Marxists) that made up the majority of the Indochinese Communist Party in the 1940s and set back the struggle for independence by making deal after deal with the Western powers and only moving to actual resistance whenever popular opposition pushed him in that direction. That said, the Vietnamese struggle for independence and unification was a progressive historical struggle that wiped out capitalism in Indochina (where allied communists came to power in Laos, and later (after the stamping out of the primitivist Khmer Rouge by the Vietnamese) Cambodia) and uplifted the poor peasantry of the country, greatly enhancing social welfare for the masses of these countries, improving literacy, and opening up equal opportunity for women.

That his Stalinist forebears have moved away from all these things in an attempt to pursue 'peaceful coexistence' with Western imperialism is not surprising given it's unstable social position and need to balance itself against a (growing) Vietnamese working class with social power that could threaten its ability to rule. Nonetheless, Vietnam remains a (bureaucratically deformed) workers' state today, one in need of a political revolution to oust  Ho's heirs and place the workers and poor farmers of Vietnam in power.

Voted FF in the poll in protest of the anti-communist garbage in this thread.
You have been missed, dear Comrade Smiley
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