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jfern
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« on: April 02, 2021, 04:19:29 PM »



I mean using the deduction isn't a NJ only phenomenon, per this source: https://taxfoundation.org/salt-deduction-benefit/, over 40% of people in NJ, CT, MD, and DC used the deduction and over 35% in CA, OR, MA, and MN. Those aren't negligible amounts, as for centralizing school funding, I guess that could work, but my guess is property taxes would remain high anyways to continue to fund a high level of education and make up whatever the federal government didn't fund.

Bolded the most important part. The standard deduction doubled.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2021, 09:22:28 PM »


Weird how a DSA member wants tax cuts for wealthy people.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2021, 07:31:11 PM »

Warner should have been aggressively primaried last year. The warning signs were there but he's pretty much at Feinstein 2018 levels of "more harmful long-term than an actual Republican".

He didn't get enough of a warnering in 2014.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2021, 10:10:34 PM »

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“A lot of members are happy Joe Man
. “Seven or eight of them stand behind him.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-manchin-deeply-disappointed-in-gop-and-prepared-to-do-absolutely-nothing?ref=wrap

Manchin sucks, but there's no need to blame just him for everything that Democrats don't want to do.
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jfern
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2021, 11:39:35 PM »

Well, I guess that's that:



What a fool. Either you want something done and actually legislate or not and you're just being an obstructionist/my way or the highway. Republicans just don't negotiate in good faith.

The GOP must have lost their minds if they think threatening Joe Manchin is a good strategy

them walking away from this deal would be smack in the face to Joe Manchin and it would also make a lot of Dems on the left very happy

it would all but guarantee that Dems go it alone on infrastructure and at that point not even Joe Manchin would be willing to stop it since the GOP would be betraying him by walking away from a bipartisan deal that he help negotiate......

Pelosi and Biden smacked Manchin in the face by announcing they weren't going to do the deal he worked on without the reconciliation bill first.

I'm pretty sure that Manchin couldn't care less. The point is that he has a trophy to show that he is bipartisan.

Like WV voters will care about that in 3 years.
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2021, 07:43:06 PM »


The military industrial complex needs that money to create the next ISIS.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2021, 04:58:30 AM »

I haven't been paying much attention lately, what's the status of this?  Is it expected to be a pretty smooth passage?  When do we expect voting to happen?

Smooth like this street.

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2021, 09:01:14 PM »

Unelected Senate parliamentarians that you could fire but won't are the best scapegoats.
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2021, 09:30:05 PM »

Extremely disappointing that we're letting DINOs get their way. The Democratic Party is a joke.

We on got 50/50 split in Senate and under Power sharing rules which would expire after Midterms, Rs can Retaliate If they get rid of Filibuster, Biden think he has problems now on Cabinet, Rs would start blocking judges next

Even a 51R Senate would be sure to not be the first Republican Senate to approve a Democratic SCOTUS nominee since the 1800s.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2021, 07:32:14 PM »

Good old Joe Manchin is once agian proving that he is always on both sides of ever issue...



He's still more predictable than Sinema.
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2021, 11:24:57 PM »

Robert Byrd would have held it hostage until he got more money for WV, and then he'd have voted for it.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2021, 10:54:55 PM »


The numbers have never added up for either the tax cuts and military spending we’ve been doing but surprisingly those don’t face any real issues from the fiscal conservative crowd  

How does the math work everywhere else in the industrialized world for healthcare. Only in The United States, where we actually spend more person on healthcare and can't seem to figure this out.

I think we even spend more government money per capita. But oh no, socialized medicine, scary.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2021, 05:01:09 AM »



Someone should remind him that it doesn't matter what he says, he's toast in 2024.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2021, 05:18:50 AM »

Hey, want to actually do something so Manchin/Sinema don't get to singlehandedly dictate the entire legislative agenda?

Here you go:  https://dm.dscc.org/a/contribute?source=DPW-TopLink
Yeah give money to the people responsible for Cal Cunningham and Sara Gideon

Don't forget the millions they spent to take down Joe Sestak in favor of loser McGinty.
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2021, 05:34:56 PM »


Manchin press conference saying that he won't support Build Back Better without working through the text to see if it's affordable after he demanded they strip out the funding mechanisms.

To comprehend a 2000+ pages bill in depth will likely take a half year.

It's too much for Manchin to ever understand.
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2021, 08:26:00 PM »


A reminder that Manchin and Sinema are not irrational actors or the only politicians bought off by donors. They're almost certainly team players for a sizeable number of, if not most, Senate Democrats, and their role is to cover the asses of those too scared to vote against BBB.

Mark Warner didn't take his warnering seriously and yelled Russia for the past 5 years.
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2021, 06:14:10 PM »

The SALT thing pretty much exposes how empty the Democratic Party is honestly. It goes against everything they say they believe in yet fits their strategy of trying to win “educated” suburbanites.

It's prioritizing the local Dems over the national Dems.  If a lot of high-income individuals in high tax blue states move to places like FL and TX then the local fiscal situation will degrade over time to make the entire system eventually fall apart. 

California could always repeal Prop. 13 to rely more on property taxes.
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2021, 07:23:59 PM »

The SALT thing pretty much exposes how empty the Democratic Party is honestly. It goes against everything they say they believe in yet fits their strategy of trying to win “educated” suburbanites.

It's prioritizing the local Dems over the national Dems.  If a lot of high-income individuals in high tax blue states move to places like FL and TX then the local fiscal situation will degrade over time to make the entire system eventually fall apart. 

California could always repeal Prop. 13 to rely more on property taxes.

Porperty taxes are also part of SALT deductions so I fail to see how this makes any difference.

Property doesn't suddenly leave the state.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2021, 05:50:34 PM »



Dems are now to the right of Mitt Romney on among other sings taxes.

Something went very wrong when Mitt Romney wants to save us from a Democratic tax cut for the rich.
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2021, 03:36:41 PM »

A tax cut for the rich still isn't enough for them? Vote it down!
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2021, 06:43:39 PM »

Now you can only compare Pelosi's leadership with McConnell's leadership. This is very hard to imagine similar situation in Republican House or Senate conference

Denny Hastert was very good at holding votes open until enough people were bribed and threatened. And also he was good at molesting children.
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2021, 09:17:11 PM »

A tax cut for the rich isn't enough for the right-wing Democrats. Sad!
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2021, 09:37:44 PM »

Try imagining American politics if the more moderate republicans were this hostile and disingenuous with their base.

The Republican party would have split in two long ago.
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2021, 10:54:26 PM »

Jayapal is a joke.
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2021, 11:25:45 PM »

13 Stupid and TRAITOROUS RINOS bailed out Biden and Pelosi by voting to pass this “infrastructure bill.”
I have never felt so betrayed, this is the worst day of my life.

lmao touch grass, it's just infrastructure spending

He should be happy that this woefully inadequate bill is probably the best we're going to get while we spend ten times that amount on the military in that time period.

And don't forget that it's Mitch McConnell backed.
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