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jfern
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« on: November 25, 2020, 04:58:39 PM »

America is back in the game because people overseas like here in New Zealand no longer think you're a mess and a joke but will respect America again. America's reputation will be greatly enhanced and Biden can bring other nations together on stuff like climate change, the Covid response and yes taking on Russia and China. There will also be no more of these dumb job killing trade wars.

Yes, Biden will be very good at preserving Chinese jobs.
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jfern
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2020, 10:09:58 PM »

More then Trump was. Trump did more to end wars then any president of the past 50 years. The left has transformed into something truly evil as it is owned by the rich and military industrial complex.

Not the left that wasn't brainwashed by the propaganda about Russia.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2020, 05:41:37 PM »

He's filling his cabinet with hawks, he brags to the world that America "is back in the game" aka bombing people in the Middle East and fighting wars for Israel, he thinks Russia is the #1 enemy instead of China (hmm wonder why that is), he also wants wants Antony Blinken for SoS, known warmonger. Not to when both him and Biden proposed their psychotic plans to partition Iraq.

So will Biden end up being more interventionist than Obama?

Trump has bombed A LOT in the Middle East. I've heard this recurring "NO NEW WARS!" theme from Trump supporters time and time again, as if he were a pacificst. He isn't. In fact, he's broken records for bombing Afghanistan and Yemen.


The Trump base anti-war movement isn’t about bringing “peace” to people in other countries and respecting their lives and sovereignty though. They don’t care, just like democrats don’t too. You miss the point if you think they care whether Trump is a pacifist.

It is an anti-war movement with more nationalist arguments, such as protecting lives of Americans instead of unnecessarily risking their lives for nothing and also focusing more on internal issues than wasting time and money doing stuff in other places. Goes back to their “America First” slogan and calls to bring troops back to the country.
I find the revisionism surrounding the Iraq War interesting. At the time, it was promoted as a war to protect Americans from terrorism. Supporters of the Iraq War used all the same arguements and phrases that supporters of the assassination of Soleimani use now. Nationalists tended to support it while internationalists tended to oppose it. How is “Freedom Fries” any different from “America First”? Now, people think the Iraq War was an internationalist war.
For further evidence of how consistent the foreign policies of the parties are, In 1996, the New York Times published an op-ed attacking Bob Dole for wanting to “nation-build” and mentions Dole’s ties to The Weekly Standard, even while Dole attacked Clinton for using the UN to “nation-build”: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/06/opinion/doles-military-card.html. Also, in 1988, Lee Atwater attacked Dukakis for being a “multilaterist”, and in 1999 and 2000, Republicans attacked Clinton for using NATO in Kosovo.

Using the logic that the “Hillary/Biden are more neocon than Trump” people use, you could argue that Bill Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Obama were more “neoconservative” than Bush 43, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz.

In 1998, Biden was advocating invading Iraq because of WMD, so the Democratic party is certainly not an anti-war war.
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