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Ghost_white
Junior Chimp
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« on: January 30, 2012, 10:19:19 PM »

No, you're not. I'm also fairly sure what your initials are.
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Ghost_white
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 09:58:11 PM »

Pretty much the worst sort of libertarian.

"Oh yeah, I'm a libertarian, and I'm for low taxes - except for those aspects of government I hold dear like Defence - and I'm very much an anything goes man on social policy except I want abortion to be illegal. "
Hmm, no, the DoD is so riddled with waste that it's not even funny. Yes, national security is a very important responsibility for our government, but we could certainly find a better to go about it.

If you genuinely support cutting defense or protecting civil liberties, then you have a very poor understanding of what people normally mean when they use phrases like "strong national security measures."
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2012, 11:54:28 PM »

It sounds--to me at least--that you're socially libertarian-leaning, fiscal conservative, with a right-wing foreign policy and a left-wing domestic policy. I'd best describe you as a Conservative-leaning Libertarian. Hopefully you abandon that hawkish foreign policy though Smiley

So.. Not libertarian at all.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 09:31:52 PM »
« Edited: February 08, 2012, 09:35:02 PM by the brute choir »

Center-right-leaning Libertarian Domestic policy.

Overall, you're probably a Center-Right leaning Conservative/Libertarian.

Again, since you seem to be confused: You can not be libertarian and not support the non-aggression principle. Libertarianism /=/ "mainline" conservatism minus the jesus stuff. Or whatever Glenn Beck or Bill Maher said this week.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 09:48:24 PM »

Center-right-leaning Libertarian Domestic policy.

Overall, you're probably a Center-Right leaning Conservative/Libertarian.

Again, since you seem to be confused: You can not be libertarian and not support the non-aggression principle. Libertarianism /=/ "mainline" conservatism minus the jesus stuff. Or whatever Glenn Beck or Bill Maher said this week.

What's that position fully entail again?

Not favoring the "initiation of force" (or threat of force) against individuals for any reason. And I mean, any reason. If you can think of an exception to that stance you're not actually a libertarian. It's sort of like saying you're a marxist but very patriotic or a muslim except you don't believe in the whole "god" thing.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block26.html
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 10:03:05 PM »

In a nutshell, right-libertarians want the government to only enforce property rights - otherwise it is the business of individuals to do whatever they want, however they want, when they can. This is in contrast to left-libertarians, who are usually communists or socialist advocates of minimally-coercive, decentralized workers' councils. For a true right-libertarian a standing military is undesirable, the environment should be tended to by private interests (but there are market forces and you can sue polluters if they damage your property), the state has no business taxing people to operate schools, and folks are entitled to give however much they want to political campaigns in secret if  they wish.

There are few right-libertarians in the States - though a number of people have fewer authoritarian tendencies than communitarians and most liberals. These are the blokes who just want to be left alone by outside sources of moral authority, whether it be from the mainstream right, left, or otherwise.

No, you're talking about a certain kind of minarchist. Libertarians would argue that government in the conventional sense of the term is morally wrong, because it's a kind of monopoly and forces people to pay taxes for services they don't use (or things they object to, like war) as opposed to user fees. At its core, Libertarianism is basically anarcho capitalist or voluntarist. Please note too that I am not implying I endorse that viewpoint, just that's what it actually is.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 10:08:30 PM »

You mean something along the lines of an Ayn Rand's objectivism? I suppose minarchism isn't as far as libertarian principles can be pushed.

Ayn Rand was actually extremely anti-libertarian, she said she saw them as frauds and plagiarists (who misunderstood her work) in several interviews. She also was a huge Nixon supporter - in 1972.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 10:23:48 PM »

That's interesting to know, thanks! Also, sorry for deleting the previous post. I have a bad habit of editing after I post and continue to mull over my thoughts. Smiley

No problem. Smiley Hope this isn't too pedantic for anyone, I know even posting the sparknotes version of all this stuff was a little tiring for me.
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