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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
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« on: June 06, 2022, 11:24:19 PM »

Okay, so that's at least two actual Hispanic/Latin American people, AOC and our very own kaoras, who like the term. Probably there are more out there, but, well, we work with the data points we have, not the data points we might want or wish to have.
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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2022, 01:00:58 AM »

And gender isnt really fluid at all. Some people may see themselves as something different than what they are but that has nothing to do with gender, that has only to do with how they see themselves. They shouldnt call it gender, it ahould just be called self identity.

I don't really think insisting that everyone has to accept this framing is any less of a navel-gazing language game than insisting the inverse.
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2022, 04:41:22 PM »

Oh, I was summoned here. But I'm tired of arguing the same over and over again. I'm just gonna say that polling in South American countries has shown that among the minority that uses lenguaje inclusivo latinx is preferred over latine for reasons that I have already explained (because, for all you people here talk about the sancticity of Spanish language none of you seem to understand how it actually works)


For the rest of the thread, I will just refer to this statement found on my hometown:



First of all, thank you for providing this perspective on here; it is important for people on Atlas to realize that Latinx is more than just an Anglo thing even if we might not like it (and even if it's not the most politically wise word for outsiders to use in the US).

Two questions about that poll though: who are the respondents (what country) and isn't it just about writing? I would think stuff like Latin@ would be impossible to say out loud, and Latinx would be awkward too especially in the plural. Now that I think of it, how do you pronounce Latinx in Spanish? Is Latinxs pronounced any differently?

That poll is from Argentina, I shared the link on a thread a while ago, I will look for it later.

The reason the poll is about writing is because Latinx is for writing. You don't "say" Latinx o latin@ , you read it in your mind as whatever you want but you still have the visual cue that is inclusive. When I read latinx on Atlas I read it as Latino, that is also the reason why is so popular compared with latine, latine disrupts your reading while Latinx does not.

This is why I always insist that Latinx came from Spanish speakers. Is something that makes perfect sense for written Spanish which has plenty of abbreviations impossible to pronounce like these

But Latinx as an inclusive form doesn't make any sense whatsoever in English (and yes, saying l-ah-tinks out loud is dumb)

For spoken Spanish some people do use latine but is more common to say todas y todos and so on (and in fact that form is VERY widespread in formal settings in Chile)

This is actually a really helpful breakdown; thanks.
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