Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[Horus]

Congratulations everyone. You got your World War 3.

Shut the f**k up.

What an insightful reply.

Yes, because your chicken little-ing was so insightful.

If you're so eager to fight a war, go off and fight it.

I'm dovish af but your constant "murrica bad, nukes are imminent" schtick is annoying as hell, tiresome, tedious, dumb and not based in reality. Take some anxiety meds and get back to reality.

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This is horrifying, I'm so scared. We must now all support the Ukrainian Army and people in their fight for freedom.

Spare us the pearl clutching. Why are you scared? You're not in Ukraine. This war will not touch the USA. Gas prices will go up a bit, that's all. You're really that upset that the grand American ploy to surround and contain Russia has failed?

Again, it's amazing that on a forum that is so politically aware, the vast majority drink the Kool-Aid and accept the Western "freedom and democracy" propaganda as the inalienable truth.

Holy sh**t, delete your account. You provide absolutely no value whatsoever to this forum. Honest to god you are so annoying, especially at a time like this.

That's his purpose. Promote whatever the CCP orders him to promote while demoralizing westerners as much as possible. It's important to keep him around because he's a direct window into Beijing.

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https://twitter.com/coe/status/1497240124836519939

I'm sure Armenia and Serbia voted no, but who were the others?

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!!!

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1497653598498570246?s=20&t=ou2LzDEOjRNuiOnGHK...

Took you long enough Olaf.

[Horus]

Serbia and India hardly alone in failing to condemn the Russian invasion:

Israel fails to sign onto US text condemning Russia at UNSC

Par for the course. When it's crunch time, Israel never supports us like we support them.

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I don't want to take away from Ukraine's situation, but when China fully attempts to take over Hong Kong, how likely is it we will see a similar reaction from global leaders?

Slim to none.

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Speaking of support for an alternative to the Western view on the war, here's Israeli PM Bennett's comments on the issue today:

On Monday, Israel sent an aid delegation to Ukraine to establish a field hospital. While at the airport to see the delegation off, Bennett gave a few remarks, saying Israel was "managing this unfortunate crisis with sensitivity, generosity and responsibility, while maintaining a balance between the various factors – and they are complex."

Hm... sounds similar to Chinese ambassador to the USA Qin Gang yesterday on CBS News?

AMB. QIN: China makes its observation and conclusion based independently- based on the merits of the matter itself. On the one hand, we uphold–

MARGARET BRENNAN: The United Nations Secretary General said Russia invaded–

AMB. QIN: we uphold– We uphold. On the one hand, China upholds the U.N. purposes and -- and the principles, including that- the respect for the national sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine. On the other hand, we do see that there- there is a complexity in the history of the Ukraine issue. And we are–

To be fair, Israeli FM Yair Lapid did say that Israel will not become "route to bypass sanctions imposed on Russia by the United States and other Western countries.” So Israel's stance is a bit more pro-Western than China's. I guess all those years of unconditional support and billions (trillions?) of aid bought you something? LOL?

I've been calling them out for over a decade. You can thank the Ray Goldfields and Parrotguys of the world for trying to shut down debate at every turn by shouting "pogrom" and "blood libel" at the tamest criticism.

Israel is a terrible friend to America.

[Horus]

Speaking of support for an alternative to the Western view on the war, here's Israeli PM Bennett's comments on the issue today:

On Monday, Israel sent an aid delegation to Ukraine to establish a field hospital. While at the airport to see the delegation off, Bennett gave a few remarks, saying Israel was "managing this unfortunate crisis with sensitivity, generosity and responsibility, while maintaining a balance between the various factors – and they are complex."

Hm... sounds similar to Chinese ambassador to the USA Qin Gang yesterday on CBS News?

AMB. QIN: China makes its observation and conclusion based independently- based on the merits of the matter itself. On the one hand, we uphold–

MARGARET BRENNAN: The United Nations Secretary General said Russia invaded–

AMB. QIN: we uphold– We uphold. On the one hand, China upholds the U.N. purposes and -- and the principles, including that- the respect for the national sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine. On the other hand, we do see that there- there is a complexity in the history of the Ukraine issue. And we are–

To be fair, Israeli FM Yair Lapid did say that Israel will not become "route to bypass sanctions imposed on Russia by the United States and other Western countries.” So Israel's stance is a bit more pro-Western than China's. I guess all those years of unconditional support and billions (trillions?) of aid bought you something? LOL?

I've been calling them out for over a decade. You can thank the Ray Goldfields and Parrotguys of the world for trying to shut down debate at every turn by shouting "pogrom" and "blood libel" at the tamest criticism.

Israel is a terrible friend to America.

You know what? I created a whole thread dissing Israel over an issue the other day. Ray showed up promptly to accuse me of agree with me! How is that possible?

One other thing. The price of the US giving aid or support to a country is not reducing it to a vassal state. That may be the price some other countries charge, but not the US.

And finally, I don't think this is even a tempest in a teapot. It isn't a tempest at all. Israel has reasons to maintain some ties to Russia, but if Biden called up Bennett, and said hey Bennett, my experts tell me that what you are doing is really interfering with what we need to do in this crisis, I have total confidence Bennett would just stop.

Which country is the not quite vassal state, the US or Israel? It's rather hard to tell sometimes.

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https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1507442015323234305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%...Putin is calling in some more Nazis

Couldn't that turn Israel against Russia?

Israel knows their relationship with the West is on borrowed time. They, as a socially conservative pseudo democracy with religious characteristics, fit better in the Russian sphere anyways. Bye. Don't let the door hit ya. Etc.

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https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1511031502049587206

If this doesn’t happen, that would be grounds to defund the UN.

Which would in turn make the UN dominated by China.

The UN is already completely useless.

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I highly doubt Russia will use nukes but if they did, would Tucker still defend them?

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Red Velvet does not appear to be around here right now, but after he had recently become all giddy about some obscure open letter from mostly fringe left-wing activists who called for ending the miliary support to Ukraine, there is actually a new open letter in Germany now that is at least semi-relevant and being talked about. 28 celebrities/artists/intellectuals led by 1970s feminist icon Alice Schwarzer wrote an open letter to Olaf Scholz demanding an end to the military aid to Ukraine and the negotiation of a cease-fire: https://www.emma.de/artikel/offener-brief-bundeskanzler-scholz-339463

This open letter was met with immediate criticism from a number of politicians of the traffic light coalition and the CDU, condemning the "naivity" of suggesting that the Ukrainians should find a "compromise" with Putin after civilians are being massacred and raped en masse there. Some critics drew comparisons to similar campaigns of COVID deniers and anti-vaxxer activists in the past.

Side note: Alice Schwarzer is certainly an interesting character, probably holding some of most ideosyncretic combination of political views I've ever encountered. Originally an ardent pro-choice, gay rights (or at least lesbian rights) and anti-pay gap activist she grew increasingly more conservative - or one might say authoritarian - over time, and has been know for being a CDU supporter for the past ten years or so. She's anti-prostitution, anti-pornography, anti-BDSM, anti-Islamic headscarves, anti-Islamic immigration, and quite recently she has come under fire for being, well, a TERF on trans rights. Her position on Russia is not an entirely new one either since her reaction to the invasion of Crimea and Donbas in 2014 was to publish a tract titled "Why I can understand Putin despite everything".

She is apparently also very vocally in favor of male genital mutilation. Seems like a terrible person through and through.

[Horus]

Well, it's a viewpoint that's acceptable but dumb.

How is it dumb from the position of Americans? What do Americans gain directly from supporting NATO?

While I am strongly non interventionist, it's important to have friends.

America First is a good idea, America Alone could be catastrophic.

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#EndForeignAidToAllCountriesNow

https://twitter.com/wsmartin218/status/1527375701594484736

This is a trend to watch, and probably not too surprising either.

We're not doing too much in Ukraine, but we're also not doing enough at home. Of course, I doubt most of these Republicans support big investments in social services or universal healthcare.

[Horus]

You wanna f**k with us? We will show this miserable country a type of winter that not even the Russians can survive.

I don’t endorse war. But the Kremlin does, so let’s give them what they want.

So we end the world over one drone? Sorry but I like living.

[Horus]

You wanna f**k with us? We will show this miserable country a type of winter that not even the Russians can survive.

I don’t endorse war. But the Kremlin does, so let’s give them what they want.

So we end the world over one drone? Sorry but I like living.

Imagine thinking that the US getting more directly involved would lead to the end of the world. The Muscovites would retreat and then bitch and complain about the evil west (like the cowards that they are).

I mean there's a pretty big gap between "getting more directly involved" and "let's show this miserable country a nuclear winter."

Either way direct conflict with Russia would be absolutely moronic. Thankfully with Biden at the helm it will never happen.

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Where is Putin?

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Putin looks really bad.

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-accuses-israel-of-pro-russian-stance-in-blistering-statement/

"In blistering critique, Ukraine accuses Israel of pro-Russian stance"



Another episode in "making friends and influencing people"

Biden really needs to cut the Israelis loose. They have been a thorn in Ukraine's side since the beginning and clearly want to realign with Russia anyways.

[Horus]

I don't think this is controversial, but any new military aid to Israel should be contingent on the new aid package to Ukraine passing.

Absolutely not . Aid to either nation should not be made contingent on aid to the other .

Why not? It forces the Putin simps into a concern and tbh Ukraine needs the help more than Israel

Israel is equally as important as Ukraine so no

Whether or not they are equally important has no bearing on the fact that Ukraine needs more help than Israel.

If Israel falls , there literally would be no Jewish nation left on the planet and the humanitarian consequences for Jews would be even worse than if Ukraine had fallen .

Anyway I think both Israel and Ukraine should be funded but people like Forumlurker should stop acting like it would be ok to defund Israel because no it would not be

I support a two state solution, however, while there is no chance Israel will fall, there is also no safer place for Jews than the United States. The maternal side of my family has been here for four generations and they did quite well.

But like I said, Israel is not going anywhere so your scenario is laughable.

[Horus]

At least I don't believe that Iranians were supplying Russia with s300 missiles via Cyprus and Belgorod 5km from an active war zone. Sometimes it's ok to take the L and move on, it's not like I wasn't in the wrong sometimes.

You are no different from neolib and neocon pro West campists. You have no actual regard for human rights and no issue with imperialism. You are just as hypocritical and pathetic as the countless NPCs with Israel and Ukraine flags. Really pathetic man.

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I think we've found who one of the two votes for "Israel/Russia supporter" in that poll last month was.