January 6th legal proceedings and investigations megathread

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Bush-Cheney, Biden-Harris. I'm glad that we've moved from blurring the lines to just admitting they don't exist. Just remember: they hate you.

Yes, yes, all politicians are evil and hate us besides Trump. Somehow he's different. We get it. Your charade isn't fooling anyone.

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Yes, yes, all politicians are evil and hate us besides Trump. Somehow he's different. We get it. Your charade isn't fooling anyone.

Trump isn't different, he's a coward after abandoning his supporters on 1/6 and letting the Secret Service and Michael T Pence whisk him back to the oval office. People shouldn't place faith in men, or they'll be let down time and time again. I don't want to have to vote for that coward again.

So if he'd been in the crowd beating up cops with his supporters you'd still like him?

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So if he'd been in the crowd beating up cops with his supporters you'd still like him?

No, if he marched to the Capitol, said his piece, and those gathered pressured the certification to be delayed for a day (remember - Bannon, Cruz and Hawley just wanted a day for floor debate) while remaining outside of the building, it becomes one of the great moments in American history.

Instead he let things get out of control in his absence and bears responsibility.

There was no good reason to delay the certification. He lost.

What do you mean by pressure? You wanted the crowd to threaten Congress with violence? That's pretty sick.

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There was no good reason to delay the certification. He lost.

Any election in which the tipping point is <1% warrants scrutiny. The changes in voting laws in an election (even if some of them I ultimately support - since enfranchising more voters is good) were suspect.

For the record, I think certification should have been delayed in 2016 too, even if I don't believe it was a corrupt outcome (like 1960 and 2020; 2000 I believe was outright incorrect).

So all of the lawsuits, recounts etc. weren't enough for you? 1-90(?) in court, unanimous rejection by SCOTUS etc?

Also, another day of floor debate would not have changed a single vote, it would only have postponed the inevitable. Unless of course your definition of "pressure" includes violence which I'm beginning to think it might...

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What do you mean by pressure? You wanted the crowd to threaten Congress with violence? That's pretty sick.

Politicians aren't gods. Bernie had a similar line which was part of why I voted for, volunteered for, and donated to him in 2016. He spoke constantly about the need for millions and millions of people to march to DC and force Congress to pass his agenda. Bernie, like Trump, eventually exposed himself as a coward

No one claimed politicians were gods, stop straw manning and answer the question.

How would you have liked Trump and the crowd to "pressure" Congress?

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No one claimed politicians were gods, stop straw manning and answer the question.

How would you have liked Trump and the crowd to "pressure" Congress?

What I was hoping would happen:

(1) Trump marches to the Capitol building (even if Michael T Pence and the Secret Service don't whisk him to the Capitol, maybe Trump's too fat to make it there) at the head of the pack
(2) He stands on the steps of Capitol building and gives the best damn speech he has given. Speak about the terrorism neoliberal globalists have committed against this country. Speak hard truths about how corrupt not only the democrats are, but speak out against McConnell and his ilk.
(3) On the inside, Trump's allies will push forward with their evidence for each of the six states the Trump campaign targeted: MI, WI, PA, NV, GA, AZ. Note - I don't think there is any case that Trump won MI/WI/NV/AZ, so this just gets him to 268 (and that is a long shot too). However the debate would have gone deep into the night based on time allowances.
(4) Late at night, around 2 or 3 AM I believe (unless the session convened), all options are exhausted, Biden is certified, and Trump announces he has exhausted all avenues. At this point he lets the crowd know to keep fighting, and never to give up their fight against the corrupt establishment.
(5) Trump goes out as a warrior, instead of as a defeated coward. Doesn't need to run again, but at least he can argue that he and his voters did their best against questionable voter laws and foreign interference.

This would require Trump to literally be a completely different person, and other than trade his policies were pretty standard GOP.

But at least you've finally realized he's a coward.. Not sure how it took you five years though, it was evident to me from jump.

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Guys, I'm a bit hypocritical saying this after my last couple posts oh, but don't bother replying to low info voter. He's like a cheap knockoff brand version of big Abraham, whom himself is an awful poster. Total waste of bandwidth.

While Big Abraham does understate the severity of 1/6, he is not a 2020 election conspiracist and I've never seen him suggest that Trump really won. Both posters probably follow Glenn Greenwald on Twitter but that's likely where the comparison ends.

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Did any punishment befall Bannon?

I highly doubt these top Trump associates will comply with their subpoenas.

Nope. Garland didn't do a thing like the inept wimp he is.

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Bob's Burgers voice actor arrested for his role in Capitol attack.

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/07/jay-johnston-arrested-jimmy-pesto-jan-6

I mean it's perhaps, along with IASIP, the most overrated comedy in existence, but I didn't expect this.

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The only Candidate I would consider to support besides DeSantis is Tim Scott.

Mike Pence is a Religious BIGOT! He isn't even a Christian! He probably has some mormon faith like Mitt Romney.

The irony of thinking Pence is a religious bigot but not DeSantis.