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« on: July 29, 2020, 01:47:57 PM »

It was an anti-endorsement of Trump. Tlaib has her issues but her phrasing here may actually be helpful.
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2020, 02:53:38 PM »

It's so funny how people will be like "Tlaib sucks, she should be primaried, one of the worst members of Congress ever, we don't want her" but then criticize her for not falling in line.

If she had given Biden an endorsement, all the same characters would say "well, whatever, we don't need her but this is fine"--you don't care, you just want her to betray her principles.

I don’t give a f—k about her “principles,” and I find it bizarre that you apparently do. Politics isn’t about being the most pure or woke and taking a stand against the man. It’s about compromising and working as a team to accomplish concrete policy goals.

This is my single biggest issue with many “progressives.” Not only do I think that in many cases their actual principles and policy ideas are misguided and extreme, but I find them to be pretentious grandstanders who aren’t actually interested in getting anything done, just acting like they are holier than thou. Have the same problem with the Freedom Caucus types on the right like Thomas Massie by the way.

Politics isn’t a game and it isn’t a competition over who’s the most “authentic.” Anyone who is over the age of like 14 should understand this. Where others see these types of politicians as heroic for being obnoxious obstructionists, I see them as immature and unwilling to get over themselves. I also see them as supremely arrogant for assuming their principles are naturally superior to everyone else’s, and that they can just waltz right in to Congress and demand that much more accomplished people overhaul the system and the party to accommodate them.

To AOC’s credit, she seems to have gotten much better about this already. Not so much for Tlaib and Omar. And as for Bernie... dude has been like this his whole career. There is a reason I don’t mind AOC or Warren or Pressley as much as those other three, despite minute policy differences between them and despite the fact that all are significantly to my left. They are much more willing to work with others and thus are much better politicians, because again that’s kind of what politics is all about. If you just wanna soapbox, start a blog instead.

Politics can't always be boring, sorry.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2020, 03:49:24 PM »

It's so funny how people will be like "Tlaib sucks, she should be primaried, one of the worst members of Congress ever, we don't want her" but then criticize her for not falling in line.

If she had given Biden an endorsement, all the same characters would say "well, whatever, we don't need her but this is fine"--you don't care, you just want her to betray her principles.

I don’t give a f—k about her “principles,” and I find it bizarre that you apparently do. Politics isn’t about being the most pure or woke and taking a stand against the man. It’s about compromising and working as a team to accomplish concrete policy goals.

This is my single biggest issue with many “progressives.” Not only do I think that in many cases their actual principles and policy ideas are misguided and extreme, but I find them to be pretentious grandstanders who aren’t actually interested in getting anything done, just acting like they are holier than thou. Have the same problem with the Freedom Caucus types on the right like Thomas Massie by the way.

Politics isn’t a game and it isn’t a competition over who’s the most “authentic.” Anyone who is over the age of like 14 should understand this. Where others see these types of politicians as heroic for being obnoxious obstructionists, I see them as immature and unwilling to get over themselves. I also see them as supremely arrogant for assuming their principles are naturally superior to everyone else’s, and that they can just waltz right in to Congress and demand that much more accomplished people overhaul the system and the party to accommodate them.

To AOC’s credit, she seems to have gotten much better about this already. Not so much for Tlaib and Omar. And as for Bernie... dude has been like this his whole career. There is a reason I don’t mind AOC or Warren or Pressley as much as those other three, despite minute policy differences between them and despite the fact that all are significantly to my left. They are much more willing to work with others and thus are much better politicians, because again that’s kind of what politics is all about. If you just wanna soapbox, start a blog instead.

There are countless bipartisan achievements that have actively made the world a worse place, as well as fringe opinions that eventually prove to be the ethically righteous ideal to push for.

I think it's ridiculous to have so much anger toward the handful of people in Congress who are pushing their colleagues to dream of a better world instead of compromising from the get-go.

The problem is some of them, specifically Omar and Tlaib espouse abhorrent views, that make it hard for some Democrats to personally support and they are generally a albatross on the Democratic Party.

The movement they represent as a whole, is a group of people who think there values should reign supreme and anyone who disagrees is the enemy or in their words the “establishment” it’s a very poor way od doing things.

You keep contradicting yourself.

Should they fall in line with the party? Or are they an albatross by identifying with the party?

You call their views abhorrent, and yet you decry anyone who says those who disagree with them are the enemy.

Quit concern trolling about their tactics. You disagree with their goals, and the rest is posturing.

I may disagree with some of their ideas bit my political views are quite close to them, especially on economics, the issue I and many other Democrats have is that they aren’t team players and they are pretty extreme. If their going to espouse views that may hurt is at the very least don’t try to undermine the party. We need 100% unity.

Calling their views abhorrent? Yes, particularly in regards to Israel and foreign policy, but I certainly don’t think their the enemy.

Those are their best views. It's refreshing to have some diversity on Israel in Congress.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2020, 05:57:04 AM »

If you’ll actually read the article and not just the title you’ll see she’s working to elect Biden.

Is the bar that low? Or is she just too good for us Biden supporters? Has she ascended to a plane above ours, where she can both refuse to endorse a candidate and also get credit for "working to elect him"?

In any case, I think this is great news. They should stay as far away as possible. I'm only disappointed people like Pelosi endorsed her and Omar- I know the reason is the "incumbency loyalty", but these two are disloyal to the party and bigoted against a large segement of its supporters and deserve no institutional backing.

She knows her constituents, as she points out in the article. If endorsing Biden will have zero effect and motivating them instead to vote against Trump brings them to the polls more effectively, then an endorsement would be nothing but meaningless virtue signaling to the party heads and might even turn off some voters--especially moderates--and she likely knows this.

And whining about "disloyalty to the party" sounds pretty authoritarian and is the sort of thing that turns off a lot of potential voters.

Her constituents voted for Biden in the primary.
Fair point about "disloyalty to the party" as a phrase- disloyalty to the cause is more apt, though when talking about institutional support from the Speaker it is fair to talk about party loyalty. I disagree with Pelosi's decision to endorse an incumbent who booed the former nominee and refuses to endorse the current nominee.

But my biggest problem is how little almost everyone cares when it comes to Jews. Imagine this headline: "Breaking: Nancy Pelosi endorses incumbent who shared a racist Ben Garrison caricature, called black neighborhoods "crime-infested", shared pizzagate conspiracy without apologizing for any of that". Would anyone let it stand? Obviously not. But when it comes to two incumbents who shared an antisemitic cartoon from an Iranian holocaust competition finalist, used a very clear antisemitic dog-whistle and shared blood libel without checking, and worst of all- refused to apologize for any of that- no one raises their voice. It's depressing.

Plenty of people raised their voices. The whole world doesn't have to stop because two random congresswomen criticized sacred, perfect Israel.
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