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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2018, 07:41:12 PM »

Sounds like I’d support the Birathari Heritage Party.
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2018, 05:22:01 PM »

1996: ‘64 all over again:



President Al Gore/Vice President Lee Hamilton: 495 Electoral Votes, 57.8%
Fmr. WH Comms. Dir. Pat Buchanan/Rep. Bob Dornan: 43 Electoral Votes, 41.2%

In September 1994, President Clinton was shot while visiting a diner and campaigning for Democratic candidates in Boulder, Colorado. The shooter was identified as a radical former Ross Perot/Pat Buchanan supporter who had communist tendencies, John Lee Jefferson, who was executed four months later. This incident put the country in a state of disarray. President Gore was sworn in, and decided to select Representative Lee Hamilton as Vice President, and he was confirmed by the Senate. The ticket stressed the progress Bill Clinton had made in office, while focusing on what President Gore was going to do in office. The main candidates for the Republicans decided to skip this election, causing Republican Pat Buchanan to narrowly win the nomination. President Gore easily crushes the Buchanan/Dornan ticket come November.
I wonder how 2000 turns out in this timeline...
1994 midterms are another question mark.
I have to assume the '94 midterms would be much more favorable for Democrats than they were IOTL.
+3 GOP in Senate, +11 GOP in House? And +3 in governorships, with Tom Ridge losing in PA?

If the map's title of "'64 all over again" holds true, then we perhaps see the major Republican push shifted to 1998, and in 2000 the triumph of some sort of ideologically nondescript Republican candidate running more on nostalgia or "unity" rather than over ideology. Perhaps the "dot com" boom and recent terrorist attacks become Gore's proverbial "Vietnam". While it sounds terrible to say, I can see Bush, Cheney, or McCain filling this role. If I had to search outside of the usual suspects, I would say that Powell is perhaps too liberal. If we want to get creative, perhaps we imagine an alternative universe where Jim Webb pursues the 1994 Virginia Senate seat (as a Republican) and wins. In 2000, he perhaps casts himself as a throwback to Reagan and a repudiation of Bush the Elder. In pulling a "Nixon", he coopts some of Buchanan's old support with protectionist rhetoric. Meanwhile, we see a Nader candidacy taking the place of George Wallace and acting as the protest candidate for a presidency associated with free trade, deindustrialization, and internationalism. Candidate Webb plays, as Nixon did, to whatever things people want to project onto him. To the hawk, "as Secretary of the Navy, I resisted dangerous defense cuts that have led to our state of ill-preparedness"; to the doves, "What our leaders in Washington need to learn is that we cannot engage in reckless nation-building in the Balkans and the Middle East." Webb beats President Gore, Vice President Hamilton, or whomever with a plurality, taking formerly strong Democratic territory in the Midwest. In office, he is found out to be more moderate than anticipated--abortion would be an example if it weren't such a hot button issue, as in Nixon's time--and gradually pursues a disengagement with the Middle East or wherever. Of course, this would all be dependent on Webb being much better at campaigning than he was in 2016, along with other fantastical elements.
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2018, 07:44:55 PM »



307-224 GOP

1912 election. Moderately progressive Republican incumbent defeats a Democratic candidate always flip flopping between prairie populism and business. The Democrat was rumored to be a secret member of the Mormon church, considered a cult by the GOP campaign.
Virginia should be (Atlas) red here. it was definitely a part of the Solid South around this time period even if the margins were a bit smaller than in the deepest parts of Dixie.

He's pretty obviously just using a reversed 2012 map and attempting to explain it a hundred years prior.
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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2018, 08:02:02 PM »



307-224 GOP

1912 election. Moderately progressive Republican incumbent defeats a Democratic candidate always flip flopping between prairie populism and business. The Democrat was rumored to be a secret member of the Mormon church, considered a cult by the GOP campaign.
Virginia should be (Atlas) red here. it was definitely a part of the Solid South around this time period even if the margins were a bit smaller than in the deepest parts of Dixie.

He's pretty obviously just using a reversed 2012 map and attempting to explain it a hundred years prior.

Florida

Hot damn.
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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2018, 06:17:47 PM »

1960
Following a contentious first few rounds of ballots between Vice President Lausche and Secretary of Defense Nixon, favorite son Governor Cecil Underwood emerged as the compromise nominee for the Republicans, with Secretary of State Nelson Rockefeller nominated for Vice President as a means to draw continuity between the ticket and the Eisenhower administration. The Democrats meanwhile nominated primary victor Hubert Humphrey with Majority Leader Lyndon John for Vice President. Governor Underwood, young, charismatic, and used to using the new medium of television to communicate to his constituents, displayed far better delivery during the televised debates. Despite hemorrhaging votes in the Northeast, Goldwater made up for it in what commentators called a "coalition of the Sun Belt and Peoria".

Governor Cecil Harland Underwood (Republican-West Virginia)/Secretary of State Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (Republican-New York) 292 electoral votes
Senator Hubert Horatio Humphrey (Democrat-Minnesota)/Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democrat-Texas) 216 electoral votes

1964
Despite beginning his term with an early triumph in the form of Fidel Castro's ousting in Cuba, Underwood had four years for his abrasive style of politics and his inexperience in foreign affairs to undermine his credibility as an executive. Nevertheless, he rallied Republicans across the nation in opposition to the Democrats' "exorbitant" spending proposals enough to make the election reasonably close.

Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democrat-Texas)/Senator Robert Francis Kennedy (Democrat-Massachusetts) 331 electoral votes
President Cecil Harland Underwood (Republican-West Virginia)/Vice President Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (Republican-New York)

1968
The 1968 Republican convention was very much a reunion of 1960's cast of characters. Nixon was by that point in his first term as Governor of California; while Rockefeller had not yet won elected statewide office in New York, he has kept his profile alive and well through thinktanks and foundations. Nevertheless, they both lacked the energy of the Goldwater campaign. Charging the frontrunners with complicity in the Johnson administration's foreign policy "debacle", channeling voter rage at domestic unrest, and igniting a right that had been suppressed for years, Goldwater won a first round victory at the RNC in Florida. With the nation facing fears of inflation at home and stress at the thought of defeat abroad, the Goldwater candidacy found itself further buoyed by Democratic vote-splitting in the Upper South.

Senator Barry Morris Goldwater (Republican-Arizona)/Governor Spiro Theodore Agnew (Republican-Maryland) 294 electoral votes
President Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democrat-Texas)/Vice President Robert Francis Kennedy (Democrat-Massachusetts)
Others: 27 electoral votes
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« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2018, 06:44:29 PM »

What if my two favorite US politicians of all time ran against each other?



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« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2018, 12:57:40 PM »

1912: A Socialist President?

The sudden death of President Taft and the assassination of Roosevelt by a white supremacist cause chaos among the left. The Progressive Party falls apart, and the Republicans are too split to nominate anyone. The only remaining candidate on the left is Eugene V. Debs. Without vote splitting among the left, he manages to win the election, despite many moderates voting for Wilson.



Fmr. State Senator Eugene V. Debs / Mayor Emil Seidel: 278 EV, 48.24%
Governor Woodrow Wilson / Governor Thomas R. Marshall: 253 EV, 47.86%

The closest states were New York, Indiana, Nebraska, Colorado, West Virginia, New Jersey, New Hampshire, New Mexico, and Maine.

Are you under the impression that Taft and Roosevelt split the “left” vote?
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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2018, 08:54:52 PM »

Clintopia: Or Every State that voted for The Clintons in the primaries at every turn.



Oh and North Dakota, which didn't even vote for Bill in 1996.

It's like some weird skeleton of Hillary's 2008 map.
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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2018, 07:41:52 AM »

1968 Republican National Convention Balloting

Blue - Former Vice President Richard Milhous Nixon of New York
Green - Governor Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller of New York
Red - Governor Ronald Wilson Reagan of California
Orange - Governor George Wilken Romney of Michigan
Yellow - Favorite Sons: Governor Winthrop Rockefeller of Arkansas, Senator Hiram Fong of Hawaii, Senator Frank Carlson of Kansas, Senator Clifford Case of New Jersey, Governor James Rhodes of Ohio
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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2018, 03:05:18 PM »

Even after the edits, it makes no sense.
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« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2018, 02:26:57 PM »



2016 if third parties over 5% won the state (Ignore Maine, it only had 3 options for some reason)
Trump/Pence: 273 EV
Clinton/Kaine: 218 EV
Johnson/Weld: 34 EV (Includes ME-AL and ME-02)
McMullin/Finn: 10 EV
Sanders (WI): 3 EV

Trump still wins.

NE-01 nearly went for Johnson here, he got 4.97%.

You should be able to edit the map code to make Maine yellow.
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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2019, 10:09:54 AM »

1940
The 1940 election took place in the shadow of the late president Smedley Butler, who had presided over nearly eight tumultuous years of national reconstruction and the introduction of some aspects of socialist economic policy. While many on the left saw his presidency as the end of America's "Weimar" era spanning 1918-1932, many others viewed him as its apex. After all, expropriations had been violent and often backed with vigilante "Labor gangs"; in the South, the implementation of "fair voting" practices had resulted in multiple insurgencies as extra-state groups of all orientations lined up against each other. Nevertheless, in the hearts of many working Americans, Butler had left a lasting legacy that the administration's opponents would be hard-pressed to fight and the administration's supporters hard-pressed to live up to.

The inaugural American convention served to unite a litany of interests--primarily right-leaning--around opposition to involvement in the wars in Europe and Asia then raging. Despite strong support for Burton Wheeler, Joseph Kennedy, and Robert Taft, the convention chose celebrity and aviator Charles Lindbergh, the movement's godfather, as its nominee. For Vice President, in order to appeal to Eastern voters, former Republicans, and those who saw in Labor's machine the stalking horses of organized crime and corruption, crusading New York DA Thomas Dewey was selected.

Despite an energetic and charismatic campaign by the newly inaugurated president LaGuardia, he was unable to inspire the enthusiasm his predecessor had generated. Labor would come to blame its (later vindicated) "preparedness" campaign, centered around the idea of aiding the liberal and socialist states of Europe and Asia in their war against fascism and militarism. America was still then deeply isolationist, and despite several conservative voting disadvantages, the American Party took the day.


Mr. Charles Lindbergh (American-Michigan)/District Attorney Thomas Dewey (American-New York) 277 electoral votes, 48.9% of the popular vote
President Fiorello LaGuardia (Labor-New York)/Secretary of War George Dern (Labor-Utah) 254 electoral votes, 48.7% of the popular vote
Others: (Communist, Peace, States' Rights), 0 electoral votes, 2.4% of the popular vote
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