European Constitution

[Jens]

This document is over 460 pages long. How many of you have read the whole thing? By comparison the US constitution, including the Declaration of Independence and all 27 amendments fits in a 58 page booklet that you can easily carry in a shirt pocket.

Are you guys sure you know what you're getting?

The actual constitution is page 1 to 185, the rest is just legal stuff like canceling the older treaties and stating who is part of the union (and 10 pages with signatures)

I personally think that this constitution has lots of fasinating aspects. Especially the Charter (part II) is for me a creation that will ensure the rights of the citizens of the union in a way never seen before - including equality between man and woman

To quote Article 1-2
The Union's Values
The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rules of law and respect for human rights, including the right of persons belonging to minorities. These values are common to the Member States in a society in which pluralism, non-distrimination, tolerance, justice, solidarity and equality between woman and men prevail.

But a superstate, it is not! Most power is still decentralised, especially the juridical powers and the Union will still only be able to act if its memberstates act in unison as well

[Jens]

I think the idea in its self is intresting but thats it. Europe is made of too many nations with strong national pride and underlying diffrences to ever unite into a super power. The only 2 Europeans to comment on this have said they would vote no. It all looks good on paper but i dont ever see it working in reality, of course Texas is far removed from Europe, thats just my opinion.

Hey, last time I checked I was European too! (yeah, Danish isn't only a pastry ;-) it's also a nationality)
I think that this constitution looks promising and is going to vote yes to it - and opposed to Guzzies little Sweden we are going to have a referendum :-D

Nationality isn't a constant and can change pretty fast. The greastest threats to European coorporation is national chauvinism and corrupt bureaucracy.

[Jens]

I think the idea in its self is intresting but thats it. Europe is made of too many nations with strong national pride and underlying diffrences to ever unite into a super power. The only 2 Europeans to comment on this have said they would vote no. It all looks good on paper but i dont ever see it working in reality, of course Texas is far removed from Europe, thats just my opinion.

Hey, last time I checked I was European too! (yeah, Danish isn't only a pastry ;-) it's also a nationality)
I think that this constitution looks promising and is going to vote yes to it - and opposed to Guzzies little Sweden we are going to have a referendum :-D

Nationality isn't a constant and can change pretty fast. The greastest threats to European coorporation is national chauvinism and corrupt bureaucracy.

Au contraire, national chauvinism is the the only thing protecting us from becomign total slaves to that corrupt bureocracy.

I disgree, not very suprisingly. effecient coorporation is offen stalled by misunderstood national pride, like Denmark still supporting aid to farmers because nobody aparantly has discovered that our state budget doesn't collaps if the bacon export fails. The Spanish fight against fishing quotas is the same kind of issue