Smash255 vs. Keystone Phil

[Smash255]

Even though its just between the two of us I put in  >40% to  seperate the real close states from the >50% barrier



Corrected a couple mistakes 
PV I would win 50.7% to 49.3% 
EV 273-265

[Smash255]

Even though its just between the two of us I put in  >40% to  seperate the real close states from the >50% barrier



Corrected a couple mistakes 
PV I would win 50.7% to 49.3% 
EV 273-265

A far left winger going up against a Pennsylvanian and you'd take my state? Explain how you win Iowa, too. When does the hackery end?

Few things

One I would crush you in your own backyard (SEPA) and while its not the only part of the state the Philly burbs are extremley important swing area in the state (no one has won statewide in PA without the Philly burbs in god knows how long).  I would also be able to link you as being another Rick Santorum which would cause you to lose your state.    Notice. however I did have it light so I think it would be very close.

Next point your pretty much just as far to the right as I am to the left.  Also I think a big part has to do with the facts I generally can structure my arguments on the issues without degrading it into a personal attack fest which is something you seem very uncapable of doing (your above comments show that)

I would also say even some of those who disagree with me on everything wouuld probably admit I at least try to back up my point of views with intelligence & some real understanding of the issues without delving into the name calling, and completley off the wall tangents some on both sides have.

[Smash255]

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What don't you get? Santorum isn't hated here! You're a joke. 

 

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Uh, wrong. I am not equally conservative as you are liberal. Also, I would probably lose it a little in a debate against you but people would understand - You are mentally retarded and insist that you're right with your hack comments all the time. Most other people I would be able to handle without personal attacks but you're just a nut.

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Oh really? Intelligence? Since when is intelligence backing up your argument with the same weak lines over and over again? I'll call you a name here and there because you're a hack and use the stupidest reasoning for everything.

Simply put, Smash, I'd smash you into the ground in an election. You're dumb and far too liberal. Thanks and have a good night.

Phil  Your hero's #;s SUCK period.  He has some of the worst #'s in the ENTIRE SENATE.

Anyway fact  of the matter is I only use the same lines over when you fail to adress the points I actually bring up.  I would tear you to shreds in any kind of debate and all you would have is personal attacks instead of actually debating an issue.  Every time we have an argument on here instead of actually answering the points I bring up you go into this hack this hack that crap shoot without actually adressing the points I bring up.

When it comes down to things such as Iraq, the NSA wiretaps, the deficit among other issues are things on this board you seem to be very silent on.  Meanwhile I will make actual intelligent points on the topic (some may disagree with my views but I back them up with a solid argument).  I have rarley if ever seen you do something like that on here

[Smash255]

Phil  Your hero's #;s SUCK period.  He has some of the worst #'s in the ENTIRE SENATE.

If you really think that this man is hated then you have some serious problems.

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Because you bring up dumb stuff all the time that isn't even relevant to the debate.

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I usually debate races and the campaign aspects of things. It's not that I don't hold views on the issues. I just don't comment on every little article jfern posts.

 

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"It's all the GOP's fault!" isn't intelligence my friend.

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Usually when I debate social issues it's never "Wow, that's intelligent." It's usually greated with "You're a prude" and "You're brainwashed by the Church, far right, etc."

Few things

1.  The point I was making about Santorum is his numbers are not good.  Being closely associated with him would not be a good thing, especially when it comes down to the Philly suburbs which is quiyte important in the fact that it basically goes the way of the state.  The state hasn't been won without them.

Next point my posts actually tend to be relevant to the discussion you generally don't want to answer them because you really can't.

As far as its all the "Gop's fault".  Go back & read my posts on Iraq, go read my posts on the NSA wiretaps.  Go read my posts when it comes down to the budget.  I don't make the its  all the GOP's fault comments or any of that crap.  I actually tend to back up what I say in a well reasoned manner.    Something I have yet to see you do.

[Smash255]

I actually tend to back up what I say in a well reasoned manner.    Something I have yet to see you do.

Because 99% of the time, we are debating campaigns, Smash, and I disagree with your hack point of view. You honestly want me to treat your arguments that you'd win a state like Iowa as a "well reasoned" argument?

I'm not just talking about you & me debating.  I'm talking about everything in general.

Anyway as far as Iowa, its nothing but a toss up state and its turning against the GOP right now (other than a possible Govenor's race which is much tighter than expected)

[Smash255]

You know how many people you have either called a hack or a scumbag for not agreeing with you?  Real mature there Phil.

Hacks - You, Smash, danwxman, jfern.  Can't think of many more that I've actually called hacks. I also refer to you, BRTD and opebo as scumbags because...well..you are and almost everyone agrees.

And please don't lecture me on maturity. Seriously.

I'm not just talking about you & me debating.  I'm talking about everything in general.

Well, what's "general," Smash?

Meaning other than maybe an abortion thread here or there I haven't really seen you have any kind of serious discussion on here about the actual issues

[Smash255]

Meaning other than maybe an abortion thread here or there I haven't really seen you have any kind of serious discussion on here about the actual issues

1) You need to do more looking then.

2) If that was the case, how can you judge that you're generally better? I've discussed many issues with members of the forum. I don't shy away from a debate. The thing is that I don't choose to comment on every Iraq thread.

I generally see you state your point of view, but you very rarley go beyond that or offer any type  of real insight into the debate in most cases

[Smash255]

I generally see you state your point of view, but you very rarley go beyond that or offer any type  of real insight into the debate in most cases

I thought you just said that you rarely see me offer an opinion on those issues, Smash? Which is it? Stop changing your story.

Phil basically stating an opinon on an issue and pretty much leave it at that, is quite different between having a real actual discussion & a debate on an issue.  Thats what I was refering to when I said SERIOUS DISCUSSION.   You will state an opinon, but leave it at that & very rarley offer any real  detail or any actual insight ior even make any kind of argument to back up your point of view. 

[Smash255]

Phil basically stating an opinon on an issue and pretty much leave it at that, is quite different between having a real actual discussion & a debate on an issue.  Thats what I was refering to when I said SERIOUS DISCUSSION.   You will state an opinon, but leave it at that & very rarley offer any real  detail or any actual insight ior even make any kind of argument to back up your point of view. 

And I haven't seen insight on your part either, hack. Like I said, I don't get too involved in many of the issue debates here but to say that I shy away when challenged about my views is laughable.

I didn't say you shy away when challenged about your views.  I stated that you tend to give your opinon on an issue, but don't really go any further.

Anyway as far as me getting involved in issue discussions.  I have had quite a few posts on Iraq, the NSA Wiretaps, the budget, tax cuts (where & when they should be implemented) the budget, healthcare.  I'm not talking about just listing an opinon, but actually getting involved in an actual debate & real detailed discussion

[Smash255]

I'm not talking about just listing an opinon, but actually getting involved in an actual debate & real detailed discussion

And I'm telling you that just because I don't post about every single issue on the forum doesn't mean that I don't actually debate.

I'm not saying every issue, but I have seen very little actual insight from you on the issues.

[Smash255]

I've seen none from you either Smash. Looking through your posts, they consist of arguments with Phil or posts about how the Democrats will dominate congressional races next year.

Some of the Iraq threads, the NSA threads, as well as some budget & tax cut threads, the healthcare threads.

Anyway when exactly have I stated the Dems would ominate the Congressional races tghis year.  I believe my pics was 2-3 Senate seats would go to the Dems and some more house seats, but the GOP would retain control in both.