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Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!
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« on: July 04, 2021, 09:55:53 PM »

As if anyone with a brain couldn’t see this happening. This is the big mistake of Biden’s presidency so far, and he’d be well advised to reverse so we don’t face these disastrous consequences. I now look forward to the anti-war mob calling me a neocon and warmonger.

As opposed to what, stay in Afghanistan until the end of time? Because the Afghan National Army has had 20 years to get into shape and clearly it never will.

The US should have left Afghanistan decades ago, it would have ended the exact same way but with considerably less spent blood and treasure.

The real question is what happens to the several hundred special forces Biden left behind if the Taliban win completely.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2021, 01:12:35 PM »

The fall of Saigon took two years of hard fighting from the North Vietnamese. The fall of Kabul didn't even take two weeks.

Thousands of people are trapped in Kabul Airport, the Taliban are closing in and the military had to completely shut down the civilian evacuations because they don't have the airspace to operate from. It's a total disaster even compared to Saigon.



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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2021, 11:05:35 AM »



Kabul moment

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2021, 11:50:58 PM »

Sigh.... now that most Americans and the International Community are first learning about ISIS-K, we are being asked to use a shorter acronym ISKP to refer to the Daesh.   Sad

It was kind of silly to act like they have anything to do with Iraq or Syria in the first place. ISK makes more sense.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2021, 12:52:51 AM »
« Edited: August 30, 2021, 01:04:36 AM by Lustration2021 »

Hate to cross-post from my recent post on the "Sewer Board", but looks like we now have conformation from US Military that (5)-(6) civilians died.

Naturally I still have questions on "where the Intel came from" for the US drone strikes or if it might have been deliberately supplied from various hostile actors, but F**K this is not what the US should be doing, even though sometimes the folx running remote centers might have last minute decisions to do before they give the order, but yeah--- still would exactly be the def of a "bad day at work" for the team that made the decision on the US side.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=461200.msg8227774#msg8227774

I don't think I can put into words how much it infuriates me when American media outlets have the gall to talk about the "humanitarian mission" of Afghanistan while using any excuse to brush off the mass slaughter of innocents.

Blow up kids? Well, guns were found in the area so they were actually armed insurgents!

Blow up an entire wedding? Well, one of the attendees was a known terrorist so by associative property that means they must have all been dangerous terrorists!

Blow up whole families after claiming "no civilian casualties"? Well it must be because the dastardly terrorists loaded their vehicle with Wile E. Coyote levels of TNT!

No critical analysis, no asking questions like whether it's possible that the professional lying spies at the CIA or the professional ass coverers at the DOD might not give us the straight truth, just parroting whatever they're told by the local functionary of the American Empire. So much for the "free press".

It hasn't even been established that the victims were "ISIS planners" at all. Of the two possible "terrorists" one was an interpreter who worked with the US and the other was a former ANA officer. It's not impossible that they were secretly ISK leaders who were caught at the last second but I'm going to need a hell of a lot more than "don't worry they were totally evil terrorists guys" from the people who brought us yellowcake, "Iran is five years away from nuclear weapons" and the Libyan Civil War.

Even assuming that much, it doesn't follow that therefore the only option is to obliterate at least a half dozen innocents with a missile. It's like responding to a hostage situation by immediately shooting the hostage and acting like there's no alternative.

The logic of the attack was basically summed up by the people responding to the news with pictures of the dead Marines from the airport attack. I'm rarely disgusted by tweets but the idea that the blood of innocents is somehow payback for the lives of those Marines genuinely disgusts me to my core. The idea that the blood of Americans should be repaid with the blood of random foreigners is the single worst mainstream idea, and it's exactly what got America into this whole mess back in 2001.

Only slightly better are the people brushing this all off because of partisanship. I never thought the responsibility for the disaster of a withdrawal fell on Biden and his willingness to stick to the withdrawal despite the media pressure improved my opinion of him but this drone strike is like the swan song of 20 disastrous years of American imperialism. Meanwhile the very same stooges who talk about how much they care about Afghan refugees don't care that the entire family of one of those interpreters was blown up seemingly so Biden could act tough because the Biden Administration looking bad is worse than mass murder.

"Oh well people won't care in a few weeks nobody cares about Afghanistan" - Well maybe you should care

EDIT: really sums it up

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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2021, 11:26:15 AM »

If it's a choice between killing nine people as "collateral damage" in a drone strike and letting that vehicle kill possibly ninety people in a suicide bombing, then you would go for the former. Although of course, you wouldn't sleep very well at night afterwards.

Why are we assuming that the nonsensical cover story is accurate at this point? They refuse to identify the supposed "ISK planners" they were targeting and I've seen zero evidence so far that the car was actually laden with explosives. It looks more likely that they blew up an innocent family on bad intel.

Hitler and Stalin could only wish people in their day were as gullible as people today. They could have just claimed all the people they slaughtered were actually super deadly terrorists and apparently the average Westerner just goes "oh well gee guess they just had to make a tough call"
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