Turns out some unions in St. Paul are f[inks]ing vile

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Unions protect workers against intrusive employer coercion, which is exactly what they are supposed to be doing.

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"I like unions, unless they're police unions or they challenge a requirement to take a two-years-out-of-date flu shot to keep your job. Those unions need to be extirpated."

Democrats in 2022, everybody!

It's not a flu shot. Covid has nothing to do with the flu, completely different types of viruses.

This isn't relevant. The question is whether or not we should accept employers having control over intimate healthcare decisions. I wouldn't want employers trying to mandate smoking cessation or other intrusive controls. I wouldn't want them to mandate treatments against depression either. COVID-19 is a virus so there's a negative externality if someone isn't vaccinated - someone's choice to not get vaccinated affects others. At the same time, in practice, the risk to others is pretty negligible so long as they are vaccinated so I'm not sure why we need these draconian measures.

There are other ways of encouraging vaccination, such as continuing to make vaccinations free, continued PR campaigns, and possible financial incentives, that don't involve putting a gun to the head of workers. I can see the merits of making police or firefighters getting vaccinated - they aren't any old workers - but, also, the possibility of even 1% of them deciding to quit is very, very costly.

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Employers--including the state in its capacity as an employer--are not the proper entity to be imposing public health requirements, nor is the employment relationship the proper level of social control at which to impose them.

Democrats generating lots of reasons for Republicans to vote. Imagine that you're some anti-vaxx firefighter in a blue state and you rarely vote. I think you'd be voting in every election from now on, even if you end up getting vaccinated, purely out of spite?

What is the point of this? We increase vaccination rates by 0.3 or 0.5% among healthy adults and make 10% of them really, really, really angry and believe in even more absurd conspiracy theories?

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"I like unions, unless they're police unions or they challenge a requirement to take a two-years-out-of-date flu shot to keep your job. Those unions need to be extirpated."

Democrats in 2022, everybody!

It's not a flu shot. Covid has nothing to do with the flu, completely different types of viruses.

This isn't relevant. The question is whether or not we should accept employers having control over intimate healthcare decisions. I wouldn't want employers trying to mandate smoking cessation or other intrusive controls. I wouldn't want them to mandate treatments against depression either. COVID-19 is a virus so there's a negative externality if someone isn't vaccinated - someone's choice to not get vaccinated affects others. At the same time, in practice, the risk to others is pretty negligible so long as they are vaccinated so I'm not sure why we need these draconian measures.

There are other ways of encouraging vaccination, such as continuing to make vaccinations free, continued PR campaigns, and possible financial incentives, that don't involve putting a gun to the head of workers. I can see the merits of making police or firefighters getting vaccinated - they aren't any old workers - but, also, the possibility of even 1% of them deciding to quit is very, very costly.

Honestly it mostly comes down to that anti-vaxxers are all complete morons who think Joe Rogan, Alex Jones or stupid Boomer Facebook memes are valid sources of medical information and we're better off without them in public positions.

It isn't a job requirement for a police officer or a firefighter to be good at anything but their job, which as far as I can tell doesn't relate to knowing facts about vaccines. In fact, I doubt there's any correlation between being a good firefighter and knowing facts about vaccines or viruses?