Is Democracy a Means to an End or an End unto Itself?

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

It's an end. Of course, this is an easy position to take in 2013. This question is pretty meaningless now: there are no feasible alternatives to democratic governance and democracy has had a successful track record largely because of global contextual change rather than as a result of the popularity of its values.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

being a fascist i don't value democracy, except maybe in an athenian kind of way. i want my volk to have its own homeland and distinct culture.

Really weird that someone who doesn't have a volk or patriotism or nationalistic pride possesses such a sentiment.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

being a fascist i don't value democracy, except maybe in an athenian kind of way. i want my volk to have its own homeland and distinct culture.

Really weird that someone who doesn't have a volk or patriotism or nationalistic pride possesses such a sentiment.

i'm saying that half ironically in case the 'volk' wasn't a tip off. that's sort of the point, we are an atomized society. a rotten tree without roots

why do you care about immigration then?

your position is really extreme and seems to lack regard for human life, much like the libertarians and bigots you claim to despise. why do you care if you already believe that society is atomized?

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

I'll post a more thoughtful response later but I don't think anything excuses draconian measures on immigration that would immediately require police state actions involving racial profling, complete displacement of communities and likely chaos. Some practical concerns also come into play when considering the effects of tight immigration policy: with immigrants already making a large part of our society, how can you create societal cohesion when you're effectively treating them differently?