The Oldiesfreak Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts III

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Obama says he has bended over backwards to comprise, yet we've seen nothing of it.

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The last day or so.
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=5522;sa=showPosts

Did you used to be proud to be white or whatever? Yeah, my posts are going to alienate you.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

I really doubt he's a "Latino Supremacist".  Probably just sensitive to what he perceives as borderline white supremacy.

The concept that white people cannot talk about race is racist in itself. It shuts down debate, and he has time and time again defended his arguments only on the basis of his skin color. If that’s borderline white supremacy, then I can’t fathom what 2011 actually racist Sanchez was.

I don't think this nor understand where you picked this up from: I don't think white people on this forum or in broader society tend to have any real comprehension of how racist our society is nor do they want to admit it. If you actually attempted to refute my assertions with anything of substance, you'd realize this but apparently you're too busy shedding crocodile tears.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Mandela faced far more obstacles in his fight.

No words express the level of distaste I feel towards this post...

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Mandela faced far more obstacles in his fight.

No words express the level of distaste I feel towards this post...

Please explain why. This post wasn't meant to say that Dr. King never faced any obstacles but that Mandela struggled against a far more oppressive government opposed to rights for blacks then MLK ever did.

This might be true but it's not a comparison worth making considering that in our country, countless African-Americans were killed or imprisoned with state-sanctioned violence during the struggle for civil rights. It's also worth keeping in mind that MLK was hated by whites at the time of his assassination and was faced by violent mobs in every northern city he went to.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

obviously. the right stuff is basically a more pretentious /pol/, but this article on the topic i thought was pretty good:

http://therightstuff.biz/2013/06/17/bulbasaur-on-the-american-caste-system/

rly creeped out by mint now tbh

that link brings you to some scary stuff

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Again, racism doesn't end when white people decide that it's over. You don't get to determine whether blackness as a concept is out of date; you're not subject to it.

The behavior of white people isn't the responsibility of black artists; if white people decide that it's acceptable to use racial slurs, that's their fault. Meanwhile, your concern that black people's behavior affects how they're perceived by white people is paternalistic at best. Again, you're just making suggestions for the blacks' own good.

Yes, there is racism that exists and blackness exists as a concept. If not the N-word wouldn't be a problem.  It's your reductionist account of people as unambiguously segregated and motivated by their racial roles that is especially absurd in this day and age.

Any relevant perspective I guess you would consider paternalistic by virtue of my whiteness (unless I agree with you??), so you're not really saying anything interesting on that front.

Anyone who claims to have a social consciousness has to take responsibility for what they promote and the form they take to promote it. That's just basic common sense.

      This post is vile and despicable. I will give you a hint as to why I, as a Mexican, feel this way: racism is by definition a reductionist paradigm of thought that hasn't lessened in scope but only in its intensity. Therefore if you are Mexican or Black or Asian Or East Indian by virtue of outward appearence, you are immediately reduced to your race to a degree. In otherwords, whether I like it or not I am non-white and judged accordingly and am in a different category of social existence than you. This means that your appraisal of how I have a discourse about being a personof color is immediately going to feel intrusive and paternalistic. Questions thay come to mind are: What do you know about vile racism? Why are you trying to tell me what to do to combat something that doesn't affect you? I get this sense that the n-word makes you uncomfortable and that's why you are opposed to its use. Get over it. It doesn't affect you and it doesn't me either. You can choose to disregard this perspective for a myriad of reasons but know that however few minorities you express your ignorant viewpoints to are going to consider you another ordinary white person. I await your evasive and sarcastic response that is confined to a sentence.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Btw your viewpoint is so obnoxious that I logged into the Atlas for the first time in two weeks on a clunky tablet to let you know.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Dude, you are being racist right now and you aren't using the n-word. You are refusing to treat the viewpoint of a large chunk of Black America as valid because their viewpoint leads to actions that makes you feel you bad as a white man. There is no evidence continued use of the n-word perpetuates racism. You are making this up. Racism in America isn't the use of the n-word and a lack of political correctness. A white college kid using the n-word like a rapper is annoying sure but that kid was as ignorant before he used the word as he was afterwords. What is more importantis that that kid got exposed to politically-conscious Black music, which might well be one of the few times in his life he will listen to the perspectives of Black man or woman on race relations.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

You are certainly making it up because the n-word is constantly used in ways that displays brotherhood and fraternity and solidarity and is empowering and you want to throw this away for some indeterminate reason. Are you really going to try and deny that the n-word is an important form of expression in Black culture?

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I am going to boil down my argument to a simple sentence and then drop this: you shouldn't dismiss black cultural expression because of the n-word, you should try and understand it.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

I completely get that (and I actually agree with you!), my issue was mainly that the opinion from Shua and theotherguywhoIdon'tremember was being dismissed, and people were getting super pissed off all of the sudden, not on its merits, but merely because they are white people stating it.

It isn't because shua is white. It is because he is white and tried to diminish the importance of race when talking about a word that only has meaning in a racial context. Ask visible minorities whether race matters and the answer will be a unanimous yes. Ask white people and it will nearly always be downplayed. Naturally, being reminded of this omnipresent fact infuriates me.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

I am baffled by the outrage at Shua's post, here. I'm kind of sick and tired of people being told they're not allowed to have opinions on s**t. The amount of hair-trigger outrage and strawmanning went from zero to one-hundred in a way I don't think I've ever seen happen in so short a time.

What I've basically gathered here is: White people aren't allowed to have any opinion on anything race-related. (Unless that opinion happens to be completely agreement with said people.) People of a said race who share that opinion don't matter, because a white person's opinion is always illegitimate. And I would, of course, think exactly that, because I'm white. Therefore, checkmate against me, I guess.

I too have been told that I am not allowed to form opinions on race by nature of being white (and more importantly, being a former white nationalist asshole) in the past, and ironically, it was positions like that that brought me to hatred in the first place.

Also, if the N-word is a symbol of black unity and expression (which I think is fine), why is the Confederate flag so controversial? And please don’t respond with “false equivalency.” If the N-word, a word of hate, is a symbol of pride now, I don’t see why a flag of hate can’t be the same thing.

Can someone else please explain this to "Sanchez" in a thoughtful way? I cannot deal with this in a productive way.