Non-whites are trending republican. Why is this happening?

[Del Tachi]

Friendly reminders that:

A: Hispanic is not a race
B: Many (most?) hispanics are white

Why wouldn't hispanics be able to assimilate?

- what we think of as “black” culture is basically Southern US Anglo culture. 

What.

Many defining features of African-American culture- AAVE speech patterns, names, soul food, overall religiosity and adherence to certain denominations of Protestant Christianity- reflect the community’s origins in the southern US. This isn’t rocket science.

In the Southern US, maybe. From Southern Anglos, abso-ing-lutely not. And pretty much any other aspect of aggregate AA culture that you left out have little or nothing to do with Southern Anglos culture.

It's not rocket science that your comment was a tone-deaf hot take.

I didn't mean "from southern whites"....... but that's my bad for using that wording. What I probably should've said was that "black" culture is both Anglo and derived from the Southern US.

Black culture is not Anglo and more of "Southern" culture has roots in African American culture than the other way around. I'll give you religious point, though black churches and white evangelical churches are very dissimilar. The speech patterns, names, cuisine, music and pretty much anything else is uniquely African/African American and any overlap with "Southern Anglos" is derivative of that.

African American culture is Southern, because the overwhelmingly vast majority of Black people in the U.S. are less than 2-3 generations removed from living in the Deep South, and the South has been influenced by Anglo colonizers and immigrants to a greater extent than other regions of the country (mostly because the South never got the big, later waves of Irish/Italian/German immigration that defined much of the Northeast and Midwest).  In that sense, African American culture is Anglo-derived in the same sense that Black Bahamian or Black Jamaican culture is Anglo-derived.

Moreover, I would categorically reject your premise that White and Black cultural identities in the South developed quasi-independently of one another (or the even more laughable idea that one is "more derivative" than the other).  The social structures, traditions and mannerisms of Southern people (both Black and White) are tied the group's development in a unique socio-physical setting rather than some sort of permanent, unequal cross-cultural exchange.  White (Black) Southern culture has not arose because it was simply borrowed from the other, but a unifying biracial Southern cultural identity exists born out of the idiosyncrasies of the place itself.

[Del Tachi]

Moreover, I would categorically reject your premise that White and Black cultural identities in the South developed quasi-independently of one another (or the even more laughable idea that one is "more derivative" than the other).  The social structures, traditions and mannerisms of Southern people (both Black and White) are tied the group's development in a unique socio-physical setting rather than some sort of permanent, unequal cross-cultural exchange.  White (Black) Southern culture has not arose because it was simply borrowed from the other, but a unifying biracial Southern cultural identity exists born out of the idiosyncrasies of the place itself.

You're so right! I never considered all those black NASCAR fans and country music concertgoers. And certainly, blacks brought on ships didn't even have a culture. Stupid me. I forgot about all the white people singing slave songs.

Tex-Mex is also a Mexican adaptation of white cuisine, too, right?

White people and Black slaves largely arrived in the American South contemporaneously and the development of their common culture has been ongoing since then, yes.  A history of exploitation or conflict does not negate a common cultural experience; the Indian caste system is predicated on inequality between different ethnic groups, but it is still fundamentally Indian cultural artifact.  Likewise, there is a unifying Southern cultural experience that Black and White Southerners have and do participate in equally.   

There's nothing identifiably Southern about NASACAR or country music as it exists today.  These things are branded, consumer products.  They're consumed by a diverse international audience, and any association of these items with a particular American folk ethic is simply a marketing ploy.         

[Del Tachi]

Likewise, there is a unifying Southern cultural experience that Black and White Southerners have and do participate in equally.       

Surely if your point were true, we wouldn't see such drastic and continuous discrepancies in voting patterns between southern whites and southern AAs. When southern whites were staunchly Democratic, AAs leaned Republican; now the reverse is true (though suburban southern whites are now trending D). Political leanings are often reflections of cultural and economic realities in a community. Why the discrepancy, if not a drastic cultural divide?

Political party membership is a pretty poor gauge of cultural association (at least in the U.S.); what is a "cultural Republican" or "cultural Democrat"?  Black Democrats in the South are nothing like Democrats in other parts of the country, as evidenced by their relatively conservative views on things like gay marriage and abortion.

Racial polarization is a tactical outcome rather than a cultural one.  When a majority racial group polarizes, they preempt the minority group from ever forming a constituent part of an electoral majority.   

[Del Tachi]

Likewise, there is a unifying Southern cultural experience that Black and White Southerners have and do participate in equally.       

Surely if your point were true, we wouldn't see such drastic and continuous discrepancies in voting patterns between southern whites and southern AAs. When southern whites were staunchly Democratic, AAs leaned Republican; now the reverse is true (though suburban southern whites are now trending D). Political leanings are often reflections of cultural and economic realities in a community. Why the discrepancy, if not a drastic cultural divide?

Political party membership is a pretty poor gauge of cultural association (at least in the U.S.); what is a "cultural Republican" or "cultural Democrat"?  Black Democrats in the South are nothing like Democrats in other parts of the country, as evidenced by their relatively conservative views on things like gay marriage and abortion.   

All of that is true, but that also doesn't preclude a big divide in politics between groups in a single area being symptomatic of a larger cultural divide. African Americans in the south were disenfranchised for decades both economically and legally. It's not a big leap to argue that those divisions were reflected in culture, and still are today to a certain degree.

I never said that Southern Whites and Blacks were exactly the same, and there are of course differences.  However, Black American cultural identity is something that was born out of the South and that makes it more similar to Southern White identities than other American White identities.  This isn't negated by a history of conflict

[Del Tachi]

However, Black American cultural identity is something that was born out of the South and that makes it more similar to Southern White identities than other American White identities.  This isn't negated by a history of conflict

Some aspects come from the South, but not all. Some aspects have roots straight from Africa. Some practices were adopted from or influenced by Southern whites. Some cultural elements have little do with the South (these are the more common ones, in my own personal experience).

Just out of curiosity, which are those?