Opinion of the DREAM act

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Very favorable.

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Except they aren't "effectively" forced to join the military. (as if that's some horrible thing)

Conscription as the only route to citizenship would be a pretty horrible thing. Much worse than the status quo, in fact.

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You can't really be born into an illegal situation if your born on US soil. Not to mention the whole concept of restricting freedom of movement is ridiculous.

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The definition of ridiculously expensive is different for everyone and thus isn't something you can "cite". For sub-minimum wage immigrant workers community college tuition, around here anyway, would be a rather large chunk of change when you factor in other living expenses.

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Your not misunderstanding me. I can accept lax controls and even screening or searches for purposes of domestic security I suppose. Governments, however, have no business telling private people where they can or cannot go and who they can or cannot contract with.

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Ok, misunderstood you.

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I took that into account when I made the statement I made.

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This doesn't make it correct or even good policy.

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I disagree. Its an intolerable disgrace to liberty and just hurts every person involved in the process of border restriction. The potential negative effects are weak compared with the benefits.

Wow, starting to sound like a Libertarian here.

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It is if you put it in the broader context of the cost of living here which is quite expensive even in the lowest income brackets. I am, however, generalizing illegals as being low-skilled sub-minimum wage workers which is far from the universal truth among the few cases I'm privileged to know in real life.

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Such tight border restrictions based on nationalism are a relatively recent phenomenon in many countries. Theirs no more logic to them than restricting movement between counties and cities.

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How would it cause a problem?

Immigrants are disproportionately young males in their prime working age. Sweden didn't have to spend money raising them. They'll be paying into the system for years and in the process keeping the generous Swedish welfare system operational in the face of a rapidly-aging population.

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Socialist countries (and I mean Socialist not European Welfare States), however, have historically been among the most desperate to restrict the freedom of movement of individuals. Its not an exclusively Libertarian position but its one that's well in line with Libertarianism among other ideologies.

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I'll agree on that. I was going to make a point against it earlier actually but thought the better of it. I just think if your thinking in current terms than the argument that its ridiculously expensive can definitely apply to certain situations. :/