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« on: June 28, 2012, 11:43:47 AM »

At least Roberts stated that this would be "a new tax" so that's clear.  

I was under the impression that Roberts hated Obama because he voted against his confirmation.

Perhaps Roberts wants to somehow force Obama to lose re-election, which could very well happen.

Senior citizens will still be upset about universal health care, Romney will promise to defund it or remove it.  

The economy will still slow down, now that businesses realize they will be paying more in taxes.  

Overall, I think this still hurts Obama amongst swing voters.  The angry sentiments of 2010 will still resonate in 2012 based on anti-Health care tea partiers.  

This decision will galvanize the lagging Tea Party movement once again.  This would only help Romney's growing support against Obama.

Wow, good to know you hold the court in such high moral esteem.

Seriously, you think the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States voted to uphold one of the most important laws in history as part of a dastardly plan to seek revenge on the President who voted not to confirm him several years ago, even though he was ultimately confirmed?

Seems legit.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 01:21:17 PM »

wow, the spin in this thread is making me dizzy.

Apparently what seems good for Obama now is actually bad in the long run (?), although I doubt many of the conservatives here would be spinning a struck down bill as ultimately bad for Romney.

Republicans who hated Obamacare still hate it and will vote against the president and his healthcare plan in November. But the SCOTUS is the only branch of Government in this country that has any amount of credibility these days, and today's ruling puts Obama on moral high ground. The idea that Obamacare is unconstitutional has been one of the most frequently used arguments against the bill. Today, the highest court in the land said that it IS constitutional. This sucks a lot of the wind out of the GOP's main argument, at least for moderates and swing voters.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 01:38:27 PM »

Oooh, Ginsburg be trolling. I love it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 01:51:52 PM »

wow, the spin in this thread is making me dizzy.

Apparently what seems good for Obama now is actually bad in the long run (?), although I doubt many of the conservatives here would be spinning a struck down bill as ultimately bad for Romney.


You can't be talking about me, because I've been perfectly consistent.  Here's what I said -- right here, on page 2 of this thread -- before the news broke:

"If the SC strikes down DemocratCare, then the GOP loses one of its biggest voter-mobilization arguments -- that "we must elect Republicans to the WH and Congress who will repeal it".

"Meanwhile, I think the Democrats' base will be newly inspired.

"So, ironically, the GOP should hope it's upheld while the Democrats hope it's struck down."


Mine isn't spin.


who said I was specifically talking about you? If you really said that stuff then I would have to admit that you're consistent, even if I don't agree with it. But there is understandably a lot of spin from the Republicans today, on this forum and everywhere else.
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 03:02:54 PM »

How will Health Care Ruling affect this election?

Has ACA gotten any more popular since 2010?  No?  Well, then see my prediction map of 11/03/2011.

This race has gone from "Do you support Romney or Obama?" to "Do you support Romney or ObamaCare?"  Romney would have to get caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy at this point.

[Modify:]  To save readers the trouble, my prediction map of 11/03/2011 shows Romney winning 347 EV and Obama 191.

And, no, the 2010 election was not about "the stimulus and economic growth".  It was about ObamaCare.  Besides, has economic growth gotten any better since 2010?  

[Modify2:]  Or the deficit -- has that gotten any better?  (And no, "lower than 2010" doesn't count.  Nearly no voters know exactly what the deficit was in any given year, but they know when it's sky-high for several years in a row.)

If you say so...
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