2008 Election Game: Campaign Thread

[Niemeyerite]

OOC: when NHI releases his "who won the debate" poll, you'll have IN and NC, then WV and then KY and OR. May 12th-25th can start now, so post your schedules

[Niemeyerite]

I'm gonna assume Oprah didn't participate then?

She can before NHI posts his poll, I suppose. But you can start campaigning, I'd like to release IN and NC this evening.

[Niemeyerite]

May 12th- May 25th starts now (well, it started some posts ago)


McCain and democrats losing support to Bloomberg, republicans nervous, will McCain be able to keep his lead once democrats have a candidate?
Obama and Dean tied in Indiana, Dean and Lincoln tied in NC, Dean takes WV. Oprah and Lincoln decline in polls.
Brokered Convention? Not so fast, unpledged delegates divided between Obama, Dean, want a new debate to know who's the best candidate.  
Who'll finish in 2nd place? Winfrey or Obama? Oprah has lost momentum, but is it too late for Barack?  
Morgan Freeman and Samuel Jackson endorse Obama; Walter Mondale and Jerry Brown endorse Dean.
Treasurer Tim Cahill (D-MA), Auditors of Accounts Randy Brock (R-VT) and Thomas Salmon (D-VT) and model Cindy Crawford endorse Michael Bloomberg.

Democrats

Indiana
Howard Dean 526,291 (42.94%) 36 Delegates
Barack Obama 525,012 (42.83%) 36 Delegates
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Oprah Winfrey 160,813 14% (13.12%)
Blanche Lincoln 13,557 (1.11%)

North Carolina
Blanche Lincoln 506,437 (35.58%) 42 Delegates
Howard Dean 502,918 (35.33%) 42 Delegates
Oprah Winfrey 377,276 (26.51%) 31 Delegates
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Barack Obama 36,723 (2.58%)

West Virginia:
Howard Dean 177,781 (47.68%) 15 Delegates
Blanche Lincoln 169,818 (45.55%) 13 Delegates
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Oprah Winfrey 21,351 (5.73%)
Barack Obama 43,906 (1.05%)


MAP:

Howard Dean 1493 Delegates
Oprah Winfrey 652 Delegates
Barack Obama 606 Delegates
Blanche Lincoln 606 Delegates
Mike Gravel
Jim Matheson

Delegates:

Delegate Count (50.00% Needed to Win)
Howard Dean 1493 Delegates (38.16%)
Oprah Winfrey 652 Delegates (16.67%)
Barack Obama 606 Delegates (15.49%)
Blanche Lincoln 606 Delegates (15.49%)
Un-pledged 555 (14.19%)

Total: 3,912

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National:
Howard Dean 41%
Barack Obama 25%
Oprah Winfrey 15%
Blanche Lincoln 14%
Undecided 5%

Oregon:
Howard Dean 43%
Barack Obama 37%
Oprah Winfrey 18%
Blanche Lincoln 0%
Undecided 2%

Kentucky:
Howard Dean 43%
Blanche Lincoln 35%
Oprah Winfrey 14%
Barack Obama 3%
Undecided 5%

Puerto Rico:
Barack Obama 47%
Howard Dean 35%
Oprah Winfrey 12%
Blanche Lincoln 2%
Undecided 4%

Montana:
Barack Obama 45%
Howard Dean 40%
Oprah Winfrey 11%
Blanche Lincoln 0%
Undecided 4%

South Dakota:
Barack Obama 52%
Howard Dean 38%
Oprah Winfrey 6%
Blanche Lincoln 1%
Undecided 3%

General Election:
John McCain 41.5%
Generic Democrat 35%
Michael Bloomberg 16.5%
Ralph Nader 1.5%
Undecided 5.5%

[Niemeyerite]

So, let's suppose Lincoln dropped out the 18th of May (her last activity was the 17th). That means everything changes in Kentucky. Don't expect every delegate to go for Obama, but certainly a huge majority.
Dean, Oprah and Obama, unpledged delegates want a debate among you to decide whom to support. Do you accept?

Results from KY and OR tonight tomorrow morning. Expect some bump for Obama (not too much, people expected this).

[Niemeyerite]

Nader debate proposal is interesting. What do you (democrats and McCain) think?
The problem I see is that Dean, Obama and Oprah will have to debate soon. And too many debates is not realistic, and not with 3 democrats vs. 2 independents vs. 1 republican. But if you all like the idea, why not in June-July?

[Niemeyerite]

To June 8th (PR primary day)


Debate tommorow!
Puerto Rico closer than expected, people seem to have liked to hear Dean talking about statehood and Acevedo supporting him.
Obama still leading in MT and SD.
When democrats have a candidate, the race will be closer.
"Drop out NOW, you're doing no favor to the Democratic party" - Hillary Clinton to Oprah.
12 delegates abandon Dean, go un-pledged after Matherson announcement.
Bloomberg increases his share this week again, McCain lead shrunks a bit.
Lincoln would make a good VP candidate for Dean and Obama, helping with women and republicans. People like Obama/Dean or Dean/Obama, too.
Mike Castle: "this is not easy to say, keep in mind that I'm a republican and I like Johnny a lot, but I may vote for Michael Bloomberg in November. He may be what we need, and, more important, he can kill this stupid 'blue state' 'red state' nonsense. We need moderation in Washington, we need Americans, not political parties, running our country. My mate, Jim Matherson, had the courage to endorse Bloomberg. I think he needs a republican representative on his side, too haha".
Mayors Stephen R. Reed of Harrisburg (D-PA) and Christopher Cabaldon of West Sacramento (D-CA) endorse Michael Bloomberg.

Democrats

Puerto Rico
Barack Obama 191,439 (50.35%) 30 Delegates
Howard Dean 156,725 (41.22%) 25 Delegates
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Oprah Winfrey 32,018 (8.42%)


MAP:

Howard Dean 1576 Delegates
Oprah Winfrey 680 Delegates
Barack Obama 1224 Delegates
Blanche Lincoln
Mike Gravel
Jim Matheson

Delegates:

Delegate Count (50.00% Needed to Win)
Howard Dean 1576 Delegates (38.72%)
Barack Obama 1224 Delegates (30.07%)
Oprah Winfrey 680 Delegates (16.71%)
Un-pledged 590 (14.45%)

Total: 4,070

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National:
Howard Dean 42%
Barack Obama 36%
Oprah Winfrey 16%
Undecided 6%

Montana:
Barack Obama 47%
Howard Dean 41%
Oprah Winfrey 8%
Blanche Lincoln 0%
Undecided 4%

South Dakota:
Barack Obama 53%
Howard Dean 39%
Oprah Winfrey 5%
Undecided 3%

General Election:
John McCain 41%
Generic Democrat 35.5%
Michael Bloomberg 17%
Ralph Nader 1.5%
Undecided 5%

McCain/Gingrich 41%
Dean/Obama 37%
Bloomberg/Matherson 17%
Other/Undecided 5%

McCain/Gingrich 41%
Obama/Dean 37.5%
Bloomberg/Matherson 15.5%
Other/Undecided 6%

McCain/Gingrich 40%
Dean/Lincoln 36.5%
Bloomberg/Matherson 18%
Other/Undecided 5.5%

McCain/Gingrich 41%
Dean/Winfrey 35%
Bloomberg/Matherson 20%
Other/Undecided 4%

McCain/Gingrich 40%
Obama/Lincoln 37.5%
Bloomberg/Matherson 17%
Other/Undecided 5.5%

McCain/Gingrich 42%
Obama/Winfrey 36.5%
Bloomberg/Matherson 18%
Other/Undecided 3.5%

[Niemeyerite]

OOC: I did the math; I have 39.95% of delegates now. I need 1,956 to win.

(post reserved for schedule).

No, sorry, I forgot to update the total number of delegates, which is a bit more. I'll fix it now.

[Niemeyerite]

Oh, Dean and Obama, this is just great. Thank you, but you're not helping me hahaha... How can I decide between you?

[Niemeyerite]

McCain, Oprah, Nader, post your schedules please!

[Niemeyerite]

I'll have PR in 5-6 hours, so Oprah, hurry up!

[Niemeyerite]

OOC: people, I'm sorry, instead of quoting the last post (OR and KY) I modified it, and so we lost those polls I had posted about NY, CA, TX, New England...
To June 8th (PR primary day)


Debate tommorow!
Puerto Rico closer than expected, people seem to have liked to hear Dean talking about statehood and Acevedo supporting him.
Obama still leading in MT and SD.
When democrats have a candidate, the race will be closer.
"Drop out NOW, you're doing no favor to the Democratic party" - Hillary Clinton to Oprah.
12 delegates abandon Dean, go un-pledged after Matherson announcement.
Bloomberg increases his share this week again, McCain lead shrunks a bit.
Lincoln would make a good VP candidate for Dean and Obama, helping with women and republicans. People like Obama/Dean or Dean/Obama, too.
Mike Castle: "this is not easy to say, keep in mind that I'm a republican and I like Johnny a lot, but I may vote for Michael Bloomberg in November. He may be what we need, and, more important, he can kill this stupid 'blue state' 'red state' nonsense. We need moderation in Washington, we need Americans, not political parties, running our country. My mate, Jim Matherson, had the courage to endorse Bloomberg. I think he needs a republican representative on his side, too haha".
Mayors Stephen R. Reed of Harrisburg (D-PA) and Christopher Cabaldon of West Sacramento (D-CA) endorse Michael Bloomberg.

Democrats

Puerto Rico
Barack Obama 191,439 (50.35%) 30 Delegates
Howard Dean 156,725 (41.22%) 25 Delegates
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Oprah Winfrey 32,018 (8.42%)


MAP:

Howard Dean 1576 Delegates
Oprah Winfrey 680 Delegates
Barack Obama 1224 Delegates
Blanche Lincoln
Mike Gravel
Jim Matheson

Delegates:

Delegate Count (50.00% Needed to Win)
Howard Dean 1576 Delegates (38.72%)
Barack Obama 1224 Delegates (30.07%)
Oprah Winfrey 680 Delegates (16.71%)
Un-pledged 590 (14.45%)

Total: 4,070

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National:
Howard Dean 42%
Barack Obama 36%
Oprah Winfrey 16%
Undecided 6%

Montana:
Barack Obama 47%
Howard Dean 41%
Oprah Winfrey 8%
Blanche Lincoln 0%
Undecided 4%

South Dakota:
Barack Obama 53%
Howard Dean 39%
Oprah Winfrey 5%
Undecided 3%

General Election:
John McCain 41%
Generic Democrat 35.5%
Michael Bloomberg 17%
Ralph Nader 1.5%
Undecided 5%

McCain/Gingrich 41%
Dean/Obama 37%
Bloomberg/Matherson 17%
Other/Undecided 5%

McCain/Gingrich 41%
Obama/Dean 37.5%
Bloomberg/Matherson 15.5%
Other/Undecided 6%

McCain/Gingrich 40%
Dean/Lincoln 36.5%
Bloomberg/Matherson 18%
Other/Undecided 5.5%

McCain/Gingrich 41%
Dean/Winfrey 35%
Bloomberg/Matherson 20%
Other/Undecided 4%

McCain/Gingrich 40%
Obama/Lincoln 37.5%
Bloomberg/Matherson 17%
Other/Undecided 5.5%

McCain/Gingrich 42%
Obama/Winfrey 36.5%
Bloomberg/Matherson 18%
Other/Undecided 3.5%

[Niemeyerite]

Puerto Rico closer than expected, people seem to have liked to hear Dean talking about statehood and Acevedo supporting him.

5/26/2008
-Flight to Puerto Rico
-Rally in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico

"¡Para ser honesto, creo que Puerto Rico merece la condición de Estado!"- Sen. Obama

Translation: "To be honest, I think Puerto Rico deserves statehood!"

Dean was talking about leting Puertoriqueños decide. I think it's clear that a majority of them want to decide if they want to be a state or not, but not a majority of them want to be a state (same thing happens in Catalunya). I was thinking about a 32-23 or 30-25 win, that detail may have tipped the scales toward him. As I had said, it was going to be a very difficult decision, both posts were perfect.

[Niemeyerite]

Obama, I know you've been active, so, please, don't forget about the debate!

[Niemeyerite]

OCC: After seeing Hagel endorsing Dean, I want to endorse Obama or Bloomberg as Gingrich just for the comedy it would create... But sadly, it's unrealistic to the extreme.

That'd be great

Democrats have some respect for Hagel but I don't think Gingrich endorsement would help the "progressive choice", Barack Obama, do you?

[Niemeyerite]

After MT and SD (tomorrow that means) we can go to the Convention, yes.
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46% of un-pledged delegates endorse Dean, 38% Obama, 1% Oprah. 15% remain undecided after debate.

"I thought this debate would make things easier, that a clear winner would emerge, but it hasn't happened. That proves we have two great candidates. Both of them have an extraordinary ability to campaign and debate. I can't choose between them. Brokered convention, there we go" - random un-pledged Delegate.

"Oprah will decide our nominee"

"Dean is almost there, Obama should endorse him".

"Dean/Obama or Obama/Dean, that's clearly what people want".

"Maybe we need another debate after Oprah drops out if she doesn't endorse anyone, haha".

Democrats

Un-pledged:
Howard Dean 271
Barack Obama  224
Oprah Winfrey 6
Still un-pledged 89


MAP:

Howard Dean 1847 Delegates
Oprah Winfrey 686 Delegates
Barack Obama 1448 Delegates
Blanche Lincoln
Mike Gravel
Jim Matheson

Delegates:

Delegate Count (50.00% Needed to Win)
Howard Dean 1847 Delegates (45.38%)
Barack Obama 1448 Delegates (35.58%)
Oprah Winfrey 686 Delegates (16.86%)
Un-pledged 89 (2.19%)

Total: 4,070

[Niemeyerite]

Ok, how much does a Brokered Convention hurt the party in the election?

It could hurt, but it could also help! An interesting Convention who everybody will watch with a happy ending, imagine that! But it could be a mess (it'll start being a mess, sure) and give other candidates a big bump in polls. But keep in mind that the one who's leading in polls doesn't enjoy campaigning (for the moment).

[Niemeyerite]

August 22th to 28th -  Democratic National Convention: 25th-28th


BROKERED CONVENTION!
After remarks about supporting 3rd party candidates, 51 Oprah Delegates endorse Obama, 43 Dean, 54 un-pledged. remain loyal to her, for the moment.
SD way closer than expected after Hagel endorement and Oprah meltdown after comments. Obama wins both states, as expected.
John McCain wants to make sure the Rust Belt votes for him, but people feel his campaign has been very poor. Too old, maybe?
Michael Bloomberg gets first endorsement from current Governor: Dave Freudenthal (D-WY). "Democrats will nominate a progressive no matter what. And, as a democrat, I can't support my good friend John McCain. I'll do everything I can in order to prevent Republicans from winning this beautiful state again, and if that means endorsing Mr. Bloomberg, I'll do it. 50% of Wyomingites voted for me in 2002, and 70% in 2006. I believe Michael Bloomberg can carry my state with the same coalition that elected me. So, Michael, you can count on me".
Susan Sarandon, Rocky Anderson and Noam Chomsky endorse Ralph Nader!


Democrats

Montana
Barack Obama  89,582 (50.01%) 8 Delegates
Howard Dean 80,817 (45.12%) 8 Delegates
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Oprah Winfrey 8,725 (4.87%)

South Dakota
Barack Obama 48,743 (51.17%) 8 Delegates
Howard Dean 41,981 (44.55%) 7 Delegates
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Oprah Winfrey 3,519 (3.73%)


MAP:

Howard Dean 1905 Delegates
Oprah Winfrey 538 Delegates
Barack Obama 1515 Delegates
Blanche Lincoln
Mike Gravel
Jim Matheson

Delegates:

Delegate Count (50.00% Needed to Win)
Howard Dean 1905 Delegates (46.45%)
Barack Obama 1515 Delegates (36.94%)
Oprah Winfrey 538 Delegates (13.12%)
Un-pledged 143 (3.49%)

Total: 4,101

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General Election:
John McCain 40.5%
Generic Democrat 35%
Michael Bloomberg 17.5%
Ralph Nader 2%
Undecided 5%

[Niemeyerite]

Can I make apost like Bloomberg? If so.... I'd like to ask Julio some more time to make this schedule... Anyway, why such a big jump?

Of course you can!
I'll be very very busy (studying) for the next two weeks, but I think I'll have some time for this. Tomorrow you will have the democratic nominee, but before that, I'd like to know who will play Patty Murray and who will be Obama running mate (it's obvious it'll be Jerry if the choice is Lincoln or Alfred if it's Feingold.. but what if it isn't?).

[Niemeyerite]

Also, the Green Convention and the Reform Party Convention was in July... :/

You get the Green party endorsement.

Bloomberg, do you want to contest the Reform Party nomination?

[Niemeyerite]

First ballot:

Howard Dean 1943 Delegates (47.38%)
Barack Obama 1557 Delegates (37.97%)
Oprah Winfrey 471 Delegates (11.49%)
Blanche Lincoln 24 Delegates (0.59%)
Mike Gravel 8 Delegates
Jim Matherson 8 Delegates
Hillary Clinton 7 Delegates
Michael Bloomberg 5 Delegates
Russ Feingold 2 Delegates
Ralph Nader 1 Delegate
Stephen Colbert 1 Delegate
Bernie Sanders 1 Delegate
Not voting/Others 73 (1.78%)

Second ballot:

Howard Dean 1965 Delegates (47.92%)
Barack Obama 1577 Delegates (38.45%)
Oprah Winfrey 438 Delegates (10.68%)
Blanche Lincoln 17 Delegates (0.41%)
Mike Gravel 8 Delegates
Jim Matherson 7 Delegates
Hillary Clinton 7 Delegates
Michael Bloomberg 5 Delegates
Russ Feingold 2 Delegates
Ralph Nader 2 Delegates
Stephen Colbert 1 Delegate
Bernie Sanders 1 Delegate
Not voting/Others 71 (1.73%)

Third ballot:

Howard Dean 1980 Delegates (48.28%)
Barack Obama 1593 Delegates (38.84%)
Oprah Winfrey 393 Delegates (9.58%)
Blanche Lincoln 15 Delegates (0.37%)
Michael Bloomberg 9 Delegates (0.22%)
Mike Gravel 8 Delegates
Jim Matherson 7 Delegates
Hillary Clinton 7 Delegates
Ralph Nader 4 Delegates
Russ Feingold 2 Delegates
Stephen Colbert 1 Delegate
Bernie Sanders 1 Delegate
Not voting/Others 81 (1.98%)

Fourth ballot:

Howard Dean 2018 Delegates (49.21%)
Barack Obama 1622 Delegates (39.55%)
Oprah Winfrey 283 Delegates (6.9%)
Michael Bloomberg 36 Delegates (0.88%)
Blanche Lincoln 15 Delegates (0.37%)
Ralph Nader 11 Delegates (0.27%)
Mike Gravel 7 Delegates
Jim Matherson 7 Delegates
Hillary Clinton 6 Delegates
Russ Feingold 2 Delegates
Stephen Colbert 1 Delegate
Bernie Sanders 1 Delegate
John McCain 1 Delegate
Not voting/Others 91 (2.22%)

Fifth ballot:

Howard Dean 2033 Delegates (49.57%)
Barack Obama 1659 Delegates (40.45%)
Oprah Winfrey 214 Delegates (5.22%)
Michael Bloomberg 44 Delegates (1.07%)
Ralph Nader 14 Delegates (0.34%)
Blanche Lincoln 10 Delegates (0.24%)
Mike Gravel 7 Delegates
Jim Matherson 6 Delegates
Hillary Clinton 6 Delegates
Russ Feingold 2 Delegates
John McCain 2 Delegates
Stephen Colbert 1 Delegate
Not voting/Others 83 (2.02%)

[Niemeyerite]

Sixth ballot:

Howard Dean 2039 Delegates (49.72%)
Barack Obama 1688 Delegates (41.16%)
Oprah Winfrey 183 Delegates (4.46%)
Michael Bloomberg 60 Delegates (1.46%)
Ralph Nader 17 Delegates (0.41%)
Blanche Lincoln 9 Delegates (0.22%)
Mike Gravel 7 Delegates
Hillary Clinton 6 Delegates
Russ Feingold 5 Delegates
Jim Matherson 4 Delegates
John McCain 2 Delegates
Stephen Colbert 1 Delegate
Not voting/Others 60 (1.46%)

Seventh ballot:

Howard Dean 1808 Delegates (44.09%)
Barack Obama 1377 Delegates (33.58%)
Russ Feingold 572 Delegates (13.95%)
Oprah Winfrey 104 Delegates (2.54%)
Michael Bloomberg 104 Delegates (2.54%)
Ralph Nader 20 Delegates (0.49%)
Blanche Lincoln 9 Delegates (0.22%)
Mike Gravel 7 Delegates
Hillary Clinton 6 Delegates
Jim Matherson 4 Delegates
John McCain 2 Delegates
Stephen Colbert 1 Delegate
Not voting/Others 67 (1.63%)

Eight ballot:

Howard Dean 2141 Delegates (52.21%)
Barack Obama 1409 Delegates (34.36%)
Russ Feingold 217 Delegates (4.29%)
Michael Bloomberg 116 Delegates (2.83%)
Oprah Winfrey 86 Delegates (2.1%)
Ralph Nader 27 Delegates (0.66%)
Blanche Lincoln 9 Delegates (0.22%)
Mike Gravel 7 Delegates
Hillary Clinton 6 Delegates
Jim Matherson 4 Delegates
John McCain 2 Delegates
Stephen Colbert 1 Delegate
Not voting/Others 45 (1.1%)

DEAN TAKES DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINATION



First poll after DNC!

John McCain 37%
Howard Dean/Patty Murray 34%
Michael Bloomberg 22%
Ralph Nader 3%
Undecided 4%

(PM for state polls)

Now, let the RNC begin!!!!

[Niemeyerite]

BTW, August 29th - September 7th (RNC September 1st - 4th) starts now!

[Niemeyerite]

"RNC starts this week. McCain has a big opportunity to retake his large lead. He just needs a good VP and more campaigning. We can't lose this election" - Newt Gingrich

"Oh, Bloomberg, what a great choice! Evan Bayh was a great Governor, he's been a great Senator, and the best colleague I could hope for. Moderation to the White House! You have my vote, Michael. I'm sorry Johny, you are not the problem, but I'm doubtful about you being the solution". "BTW, here you have the third independent senator hahaha..." - Senator Dick Lugar (I-IN)

"It's official now. I'm supporting Bloomberg" - Mayor Michael Nutter (D-PA)

"If you are a republican and feel ashamed after 8 years of Bush -and I'm sorry about that-, you have to vote for Mayor Bloomberg in November" - Colin Powell (R-NY)

"I've heard that Howard Dean loves guns. I was going to vote for Michael Bloomberg anyway, but now he gets my official endorsement. Thank you Michael, if you weren't running, I'd have to stay at home on Election Day or vote for someone I don't like" - Mayor Gavin Newsom (D-CA)

"Absurd, this is absurd. Michael Bloomberg is not a progressive, he's not a new face, he's not a good mayor. Democrats who support him are DINOs, they should not call themselves democrats. Shame on you, Oprah, Newsom, Nutter, and specially you, Bayh" - Former President Bill Clinton.

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New polls released!

National:
John McCain 36% 262 EVs
Howard Dean/Patty Murray 31% 181 EVs
Michael Bloomberg/Evan Bayh 24% 4 EVs
Ralph Nader 3%
Undecided 6% 91 EVs

West Virginia:
McCain 46%
Dean/murray 31%
Bloomberg/Bayh 13%
Nader 3%
Undecided 7%

Alaska:
McCain 38%
Bloomberg/Bayh 26%
Dean/Murray 19%
Nader 11%
Undecided 6%

Washington:
Dean/Murray 41%
McCain 30%
Bloomberg/Bayh 18%
Nader 3%
Undecided 8%

Oregon:
Dean/Murray 37%
McCain 30%
Bloomberg/Bayh 20%
Nader 4%
Undecided 9%

California:
Dean/Murray 39%
Bloomberg/Bayh 26%
McCain 25%
Nader 4%
Undecided 6%

Wyoming:
McCain 51%
Bloomberg/Bayh 31%
Dean/Murray 11%
Nader 2%
Undecided 5%

Montana:
McCain 39%
Dean/Murray 27%
Bloomberg/Bayh 25%
Nader 4%
Undecided 5%

Minnesota:
Dean/Murray 34%
McCain 30%
Bloomberg/Bayh 25%
Nader 5%
Undecided 6%

Michigan:
Dean/Murray 35%
McCain 34%
Bloomberg/Bayh 19%
Nader 3%
Undecided 9%

Illinois:
Dean/Murray 38%
McCain 29%
Bloomberg/Bayh 25%
Nader 2%
Undecided 6%

Indiana:
McCain 35%
Bloomberg/Bayh 32%
Dean/Murray 25%
Nader 2%
Undecided 6%

Pennsylvania:
McCain 35%
Dean/Murray 33%
Bloomberg/Bayh 25%
Nader 2%
Undecided 5%

New Jersey:
Dean/Murray 32%
Bloomberg/Bayh 30%
McCain 28%
Nader 3%
Undecided 7%

New York:
Dean/Murray 35%
Bloomberg/Bayh 32%
McCain 26%
Nader 3%
Undecided 4%

New Hampshire:
Dean/Murray 34%
McCain 32%
Bloomberg/Bayh 28%
Nader 2%
Undecided 4%

Maine:
Bloomberg/Bayh 40%
McCain 25%
Dean/Murray 25%
Nader 6%
Undecided 4%

[Niemeyerite]

My computer isn't working and I finish my exams next week. Expect an update for May 16th I'm sorry.

[Niemeyerite]

September 8th - September 15th starts now.

RNC results:
John McCain 1772 (81.17%)
Chuck Hagel 159 (7.28%)
Ron Paul 107 (4.9%)
Michael Bloomberg 106 (4.86%)
Newt Gingrich 39 (1.79%)

After Conventions, undecideds start deciding!!

Ralph Nader reaches 4%. Musician Eddie Vedder and actor Viggo Mortensen endorse him.

An internal from the democratic party has Bloomberg leading in Indiana, Dean leading in Iowa and Colorado tied!

Dean appeals to the progressive base while McCain finally stops bleeding after VP pick. Is that because he got all the press this week or will he keep his lead?.

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National:
John McCain 36%
Howard Dean/Patty Murray 31% 181
Michael Bloomberg/Evan Bayh 24.5%
Ralph Nader 4%
Undecided 4.5% 91 EVs

(PM for state polls)
(Believe me when I say I've worked a lot with this TL today, I have "internals" for every state, I've made a list with every state and how many times each of you have visited it ... That'll be very important on Election Night...)


(Oh, and use your VPs!)






(And finally, I suppose we'll have debates soon. NHI will moderate at least one of them, but does anyone else want to moderate? Thanks!)