How will the Supreme Court's Health Care Reform ruling ...

[milhouse24]

At least Roberts stated that this would be "a new tax" so that's clear. 

I was under the impression that Roberts hated Obama because he voted against his confirmation.

Perhaps Roberts wants to somehow force Obama to lose re-election, which could very well happen.

Senior citizens will still be upset about universal health care, Romney will promise to defund it or remove it. 

The economy will still slow down, now that businesses realize they will be paying more in taxes. 

Overall, I think this still hurts Obama amongst swing voters.  The angry sentiments of 2010 will still resonate in 2012 based on anti-Health care tea partiers. 

This decision will galvanize the lagging Tea Party movement once again.  This would only help Romney's growing support against Obama.

[milhouse24]

wow, the spin in this thread is making me dizzy.

Apparently what seems good for Obama now is actually bad in the long run (?), although I doubt many of the conservatives here would be spinning a struck down bill as ultimately bad for Romney.

Republicans who hated Obamacare still hate it and will vote against the president and his healthcare plan in November. But the SCOTUS is the only branch of Government in this country that has any amount of credibility these days, and today's ruling puts Obama on moral high ground. The idea that Obamacare is unconstitutional has been one of the most frequently used arguments against the bill. Today, the highest court in the land said that it IS constitutional. This sucks a lot of the wind out of the GOP's main argument, at least for moderates and swing voters.

Overall, the Health Care law is a negative issue for Obama as shown in the 2010 elections, which was very anti-Health Care.  In terms of re-election, he will have accomplished a big milestone, but some liberal voters will view it as him accomplishing all his goals and being a one and done president with nothing left to get done.  In essence, liberals may see obama as having won the war with nothing left to prove, and the likelihood of getting very little done in his second term.  

But there is a very real and strong threat of anti-Health Care activists.  If 60% of the country disapprove of the Mandate Tax, then those 60% of voters will now have no reason to vote for Obama in November.  Obama has raised taxes on the middle class (those who are not poor enough to get medicare) but now have to pay the tax to get health insurance.  Now small businesses will not hire (because having more than 20 people on payroll forces you to pay healthcare for all the employees).  We are socialist France, which caps small businesses at 49 people, otherwise they force unionization.  So guess, what nobody in France hires more than 49 people for their companies.  France has also had 10% unemployment for 20 years.  

This is a tax that the middle class will pay.  The upper class can afford the tax.  The poor will get medicare.  The middle class get screwed, again, by Obama.

[milhouse24]

wow, the spin in this thread is making me dizzy.

Apparently what seems good for Obama now is actually bad in the long run (?), although I doubt many of the conservatives here would be spinning a struck down bill as ultimately bad for Romney.

Republicans who hated Obamacare still hate it and will vote against the president and his healthcare plan in November. But the SCOTUS is the only branch of Government in this country that has any amount of credibility these days, and today's ruling puts Obama on moral high ground. The idea that Obamacare is unconstitutional has been one of the most frequently used arguments against the bill. Today, the highest court in the land said that it IS constitutional. This sucks a lot of the wind out of the GOP's main argument, at least for moderates and swing voters.

But there is a very real and strong threat of anti-Health Care activists.  If 60% of the country disapprove of the Mandate Tax, then those 60% of voters will now have no reason to vote for Obama in November.  Obama has raised taxes on the middle class (those who are not poor enough to get medicare) but now have to pay the tax to get health insurance.  if they want to exercise their right not to have health insurance.

This is a tax that the middle class will pay.  The upper class can afford the tax.  The poor will get medicare.  The middle class get screwed, again, by Obama.

Fixed that for you.

If your job does not provide health insurance, you will be forced to pay for it yourself out of pocket.  The monthly premiums will still be high.  If you think the health care corporations have now forced a mandatory purchase of their products, then you are correct.  The corporations have won again.  Now they get more customers.  It is a good day to buy stock in HMO conglomerites. 

Also, think about a poor person in Alabama without health insurance being forced to pay the same rates as someone in NYC.  The rural hicks get screwed again by the fed.

[milhouse24]

I saw that the full ruling says that States will not be punished by the Fed if they opt out of the program, which many budget-strapped states will do.  Then the Fed is just taxing citizens living in states that won't provide the "universal package"

So basically, the states will still have "States Rights" when it comes to universal health care.

But citizens will still have to pay the federal tax (if there state does not offer premiums).