GOTV - the ignored subject on the forum

[CARLHAYDEN]

First, neither Obama nor McCain has a real GOTV effort.

Second, the DNC is pushing to register (especially in Florida) people convicted of felonies who were previous ineligible to vote.

Third, in some states, such as Colorado, the Civil Rights Initiative (which would prevent discrimination) and which is therefor opposed by Obama (who favors preferences for people based on the color of their skin), may result in increased voters not supporting Obama.

Fourth, there may be an increase black turnout rate seperate from the turnout by registered convicted felons.

Fifth, McCain has no interest whatsover in a GOTV effort.

[CARLHAYDEN]

First, neither Obama nor McCain has a real GOTV effort.

As I said in the original post, Obama overperformed during the primaries.  Obama is likely to have a bigger operation than any candidate in history so I don't really get this.
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Sorry Lunar, but Obama excelled in the Caucuses, and got beat in the primaries.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Sorry Lunar, but polling in primaries is very difficult, and far less accurate than general elections.  Just ask Sam (and Vorlon, if he is available).

The standard I used, was whether Obama performed better in caucuses or primaries, and the simple answer is that he performed better in caucuses.

Also, you really should check your list, neither Iowa nor Nevada were primary states.

[CARLHAYDEN]

A real GOTV operation requires a great deal of time, training and organization.

If you want a couple of examples of how it should be done, you can look at the Republican effort in 2004 in Ohio, and the Democrat effort in 2000 in Pennsylvania.

Neither Obama nor McCain has such an effort at this time.

The Obama "field offices" are largely psychological (symbolic) and to coordinate with other candidates, not a GOTV effort.

As to collecting data, the Obama people probably imagine that a series of mailings will stimulate the vote (probably not a significant impact).  That is NOT a real GOTV effort.

[CARLHAYDEN]

A real GOTV operation requires a great deal of time, training and organization.

If you want a couple of examples of how it should be done, you can look at the Republican effort in 2004 in Ohio, and the Democrat effort in 2000 in Pennsylvania.

Neither Obama nor McCain has such an effort at this time.

The Obama "field offices" are largely psychological (symbolic) and to coordinate with other candidates, not a GOTV effort.

As to collecting data, the Obama people probably imagine that a series of mailings will stimulate the vote (probably not a significant impact).  That is NOT a real GOTV effort.

How was the Randy Graf GOTV effort?

He had none in the general election in 2006!

[CARLHAYDEN]

A real GOTV operation requires a great deal of time, training and organization.

If you want a couple of examples of how it should be done, you can look at the Republican effort in 2004 in Ohio, and the Democrat effort in 2000 in Pennsylvania.

Neither Obama nor McCain has such an effort at this time.

The Obama "field offices" are largely psychological (symbolic) and to coordinate with other candidates, not a GOTV effort.

As to collecting data, the Obama people probably imagine that a series of mailings will stimulate the vote (probably not a significant impact).  That is NOT a real GOTV effort.

How was the Randy Graf GOTV effort?

He had none in the general election in 2006!

Interesting. Did he abandon his primary GOTV efforts?

He didn't have the time/money to organize and implement such an effort in the general election.