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Trilobyte
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« on: January 13, 2005, 01:55:08 PM »

The way they blame government for all our problems, deserving or not, as though  the problems would disappear once we got rid of government.

Their belief that government is being "oppressive" simply for taxing people to deliver the greater good. It just seems like a very heartless ideology.
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Trilobyte
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2005, 05:06:57 PM »

Are people justified in stealing from others to delvier the "greater good"(as that was ever possible of measuring)? No! Then why are governments?
Kant formulated a Categorical Imperative, not a Categorical-Except-If-You're-A-Government-Agent Imperative. God delivered a commandment "Thou shalt not steal", not "Thou slhalt not steal, except to deliver the common good."

If you think taxes = theft, you don't understand what theft means.
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Trilobyte
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2005, 05:52:07 PM »


Dictionary.com search for theft:

Theft   Audio pronunciation of "theft" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (thft)
n.

   1. The act or an instance of stealing; larceny.
   2. Obsolete. Something stolen.

Stealing:
teal   Audio pronunciation of "stealing" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (stl)
v. stole, (stl) sto·len, (stln) steal·ing, steals
v. tr.

   1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
   2. To get or effect surreptitiously or artfully: steal a kiss; stole the ball from an opponent.
   3. To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.
   4. To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: The magician's assistant stole the show with her comic antics.
   5. Baseball. To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch.


How is taxation not taking away property without permission?


Permission is given when the government received its mandate from the people to carry out its agenda.

So you're saying the government is stealing from YOU, so that YOUR kids can go to school? So that the roads and highways YOU drive on are paved?

Is the mother who demands child support from the father stealing from him? Does a baby require "permission" to receive her mother's milk?

Libertarians keep talking about "individual rights", but what about responsibility? Citzenship comes with rights and duties. They never talk about the needs of the community and contributions toward the common good. Is it fair to ask for representation without taxation? That's why I think libertarianism is a heartless ideology.
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Trilobyte
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2005, 07:15:20 PM »

Uh, 51% of the public does not constitute a mandate to spend the other 49 percent's money.

Does the 49% drive on paved roads? Do their children go to public school? Do they eat government-inspected food? Does the military and police protect them and their property?

To NOT pay taxes for those services would actually be theft.
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