Polish Politics and Elections

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Apologies if this has been asked and answered already, but is there any reason why USA Poles seem to be so much more fash than the rest of the diaspora? I can imagine reasons, but wouldn't want to make assumptions

Well, in terms of institutions, organisations, media etc. Polish diaspora in the USA is rather conservative, especially when we take into consideration those who are determined enough to vote and are engaged in cultural life of the diaspora. Generally a lot of Poles in the USA who are eligible to vote were mainly people who emigrated from Poland before 1989 - they often do not live there and they create their views on Poland from media outlets, chruch, etc. This is obviously changing and holds only when we are talking about Chicago diaspora, the biggest one. But for example Poles in Cali and DC voted mainly for Trzaskowski.

And I'm sure the nature of religious politics in the USA plays a part--a lot of them being hardcore Janpavelistas who aren't exactly on-side with Francis-era "liberalization".

It's sort of the inverse of how, in recent times, Trump and the GOP in general has been far more popular in Poland than elsewhere in Europe.

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From EUElects liveblog:

Andrzej Duda won in Canada. He recieved 4720, while Trzaskowski recieved 3119. Despite this fact, Duda won only in Toronto, while Trzaskowski in Vancouver, Montreal and Ottawa.

I thought the overseas vote was supposed to be pro-Trazskowski?

It is...outside of NA.

Toronto's probably got more of an "Ethnoburban Conservative" streak--the same thing that buoys Ford Nation...

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From EUElects liveblog:

Andrzej Duda won in Canada. He recieved 4720, while Trzaskowski recieved 3119. Despite this fact, Duda won only in Toronto, while Trzaskowski in Vancouver, Montreal and Ottawa.

I thought the overseas vote was supposed to be pro-Trazskowski?

It is...outside of NA.

Toronto's probably got more of an "Ethnoburban Conservative" streak--the same thing that buoys Ford Nation...

Interesting that overseas voters in North America being more right wing is a thing for pretty much every country that has overseas voting that I know of. In the US I guess it's explained by osmosis from the Republicans and much more conservative public discourse, but I wonder why this is happening in Toronto - it's not like Fordismo has a huge media presence or an influential political party (seeing that everyone hates Dough now). Perhaps more culturally conservative people moving to places with larger Polish communities, i.e. only Toronto?

Much of the Toronto diaspora has been there since the 80s. Same with e.g. Chicago. Older anti-communists getting their view of the mother country from hard-right sources and voting accordingly.

But I think there's also a certain element to Toronto-style multiculturalism that essentially allows the modern-day Polish community to operate as a wholesale satellite of the "old country", with added North American conveniences.  That is, not so much the kind of "worldly cosmopolitanism" that might favour RT, as a "transplanted parochialism" that works on behalf of Duda.

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So far nearly all counted votes are from abroad and basically all of them from the United States and Canada,  so they skew heavily towards PiS.

What´s the main reason Poles in Northern America are more conservative?? Is it because they emigrated much earlier than the Poles in Europe and therefore their only contact to their homeland is TVP Polonia??

It's also their reasoning, i.e. to escape "komunizm" on behalf of "freedom".

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So far nearly all counted votes are from abroad and basically all of them from the United States and Canada,  so they skew heavily towards PiS.

What´s the main reason Poles in Northern America are more conservative?? Is it because they emigrated much earlier than the Poles in Europe and therefore their only contact to their homeland is TVP Polonia??

It's also their reasoning, i.e. to escape "komunizm" on behalf of "freedom".

Through, from Canada, I see differences. Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa and Calgary voted for PO, while Toronto 3x, Mississauga x2, Winnipeg and Edmonton voted for PiS.

Probably a bit of a "Catholic" vs "secularizing" divide as well (and in Toronto/Mississauga, a touch of Ford Nation)

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Any breakdown of the vote here in the US? Image there were a lot of voters here in the Chicago area.

There is 8 voting stations in Chicago.

3 of them didn't report yet, 4 are a PiS lanslide and 1 is a PO landslide.

The 6 stations elsewhere in the state are also easy PiS wins.

I wouldn't be surprised if the PO landslide is the most "urban cosmopolitan" of the lot.

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The Chicago Metro Area is the main reason PiS was the winner here in the United States. In 14 polling states, the only lost 2 and they only failed to get a majority in a total of 4. In some polling places they got over 70% of the vote!

So the same constituency that votes 70% Democratic in US election votes 70% for the Polish GOP. Ideological splits.

It makes no sense at all to map American politics onto the politics of a country where both major parties are right-wing.

Though just because the *constituency* might be 70% Dem, doesn't mean that the *Poles within the constituency* are among that 70%.  Keep that in mind.

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Imagine watermarking a ****ing Bing AI creation.

Well, that's the thing; these "hard right crazies" so ensconced within and conditioned by whatever universe of gaming and social media they've chosen, their perspective on "art" is entirely that of fan art.  They're terminally kitsch; terminally tasteless--because they're LARPing on some imagined "timeless, eternal values"...