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« on: April 03, 2005, 06:04:07 PM »

Simply put-  If the name is not Casey, the Democrat best better be pro-choice to win.  Because it's Casey, I think he'll be fine.
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2005, 06:14:52 PM »

Simply put-  If the name is not Casey, the Democrat best better be pro-choice to win.  Because it's Casey, I think he'll be fine.

Don't you understand that you need a Pro Life Dem to keep many of the Dems from voting for Santorum?

Yeah and do you understand we need pro-choice Republicans to vote against him along with the money that comes with it?

If I were to run personally, I would run pro-choice in ANY State House, Senate, or Congressional District because I know Union money would not be enough.  I would definitely need NARAL and Planned Parenthood dollars to put me over the top.  Now I know you're gonna say Brendan Boyle is pro-life.  Yes he is anti-choice, but he has many other things going for him.  I respect his views, but I think he might have done better as a pro-choicer.  Take a look at his district. 
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2005, 06:33:28 PM »

Simply put-  If the name is not Casey, the Democrat best better be pro-choice to win.  Because it's Casey, I think he'll be fine.

Don't you understand that you need a Pro Life Dem to keep many of the Dems from voting for Santorum?

Yeah and do you understand we need pro-choice Republicans to vote against him along with the money that comes with it?

If I were to run personally, I would run pro-choice in ANY State House, Senate, or Congressional District because I know Union money would not be enough.  I would definitely need NARAL and Planned Parenthood dollars to put me over the top.  Now I know you're gonna say Brendan Boyle is pro-life.  Yes he is anti-choice, but he has many other things going for him.  I respect his views, but I think he might have done better as a pro-choicer.  Take a look at his district. 

Pro Life Democrats outnumber Pro Choice Republicans.

If you ran, you'd get crushed on the issue (in PA).

Pro-choice candidates have won statewide.  Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Rendell, Specter, Heinz, Ridge and Hafer are adamantly pro-choice and have won the state!  It has also been polled that the majority of Pennsylvanians are pro-choice, though only between 50 and 55%.  The GOP has one advantage over the Democrats in PA: Geography.  Republicans are more diluted so to speak over a larger land area.  This gives them more room the draft district lines and keep Democrats compressed in urban areas.  Most PA GOP CDs are around 30-45% Dem, while the Dem CDs are much less then that in the GOP column, the lone exception being PA 13 which has many Montgomery County RINOs who vote Democratic yet have it on paper to deal with their townships better.

My take on the pro-life/pro-choice argument locally:  I think pro-choicers are less vocal about their points of view than pro-lifers.  I'll even go as far as saying NE Philly is a pro-choice leaning area.  There are a lot of vocal Catholics opposed to abortion vehemently, but their voice is projected much more than the actual opinion of the majority.  Again I'd like to pull the Keystone Polls suggesting this.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2005, 06:52:37 PM »


NE Philly is not Pro Choice leaning. Besides Butkovitz and Cohen, who are the prominent Pro Choice Dems in the NE Philly area?

GERRYMANDERING!!!! GERRYMANDERING !!! GERRYMANDERING!!!  Oh and by the way, why did Perzel have to run tail between his ass out of Frankford and into Fox Chase.  You gotta love that spaghetti string north of Pennypack Park from Mayfair that moves west and drops south into Fox Chase, which even I'll admit is pretty conservative.  I'll also argue the hardcore anti-choicers got elected during the Reagan era and have parked themselves in office ever since.  Kenney and Taylor's retirements are a definite flip and O'Brien's is a highly probable flip.  Perzel would have been gone already if not for the gerrymander.

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2005, 07:25:55 PM »


NE Philly is not Pro Choice leaning. Besides Butkovitz and Cohen, who are the prominent Pro Choice Dems in the NE Philly area?

GERRYMANDERING!!!! GERRYMANDERING !!! GERRYMANDERING!!! 

Gerrymandering made McGeehan, Stack, Boyle, other NE Dems Pro Life?


Stack flip-flops right and left and Tartaglione is pro-choice.
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2005, 07:37:51 PM »


NE Philly is not Pro Choice leaning. Besides Butkovitz and Cohen, who are the prominent Pro Choice Dems in the NE Philly area?

GERRYMANDERING!!!! GERRYMANDERING !!! GERRYMANDERING!!! 

Gerrymandering made McGeehan, Stack, Boyle, other NE Dems Pro Life?


Stack flip-flops right and left and Tartaglione is pro-choice.

Tartaglione's district includes parts of NE Philly but more of it is around the Center City area.

You also avoided my point. Gerrymandering did not make many NE Dems Pro Life.

My old State Senator was Tina Tartaglione and she has a fair amount of NE Philly.  She is active at St. Martin of Tours and pro-choice.  Yes there are anti-choice NE Dems.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2005, 03:18:10 PM »

In PA the Republicans have 3 issues that count for them.

1) Abortion.  Casey's pro-life though so this takes this card out of play.


Hey i'll vote Casey over Santorum any day, any time, but I'm most worried about losing the support of Philly suburban pro-choice RINOs.  If you've seen the PA results for the 1980s, you'll see without the Philly burbs, we have less of a chance.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2005, 02:34:37 AM »


Hey i'll vote Casey over Santorum any day, any time, but I'm most worried about losing the support of Philly suburban pro-choice RINOs.  If you've seen the PA results for the 1980s, you'll see without the Philly burbs, we have less of a chance.

The key will be to keep Casey with Rendell as much as possible throughout the campaign.  If the pro-choice Republicans in the Philly suburbs see Casey with Rendell enough, Im sure most of them will be voting straight Rendell/Casey ticket.

Good point.  Hey, I'd like to see Allyson Schwartz in 2010! 
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