Israel-Gaza war

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Israeli settlers have been attacking Gaza aid trucks for months
when this war ends It going to take Israel decades to repair it relations.

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Also, Israel says those three people were murdered on October 7 and Hamas took the bodies with them. Remember they have swapped human remains for live prisoners before.

I think Shani was alive in some of the videos on Oct 7.

There are heaps of photos going around of Palestinian militants standing proud on murdered and raped Israeli's on Oct 7.

The Palestinian militants were sharing their murder-rape-athon on social media with each other. One of the things Muslims do to Jewish women in these raids is they cut their breasts off. I don't understand it, but it happened in the 1930's when Muslim radicals were driving Jews out of northern Africa.

Even though they are outrageous, they appear to have committed historically repeated acts of violence.

It's gruesome and depraved. I can see why the rest of the planet has rocked up to protect Israel.

The whole history of the Jews retreating to Israel is a nasty episode.

the entirety of Jewish history can be summarized in "Jew got Genocided flee to new location and repeat" that why pretty much almost the entire Jewish population is either located in Israel or the united states, Israel because it the safest place to be a Jew and the united states since compared to a lot country there haven't been a single genocide against them in the Usa.

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I would actually say that North America is *the* safest area in the world to be Jewish, though I do get the "safety in numbers" argument for Israel. Europe is also mostly not bad, most of the time.

True but europe?
say that to a jew pre-1945 hell actually no pre-1991 since the soviets were pretty anti-semitic
Europe have been possibly one of the most unsafes places to be jewish before the 21st century and even now it starting to look like with the increasing hate crimes against jews, this chapter of jewish safeness in europe will just be a weird few decade blip for europe if it continue at this rate

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https://twitter.com/jdiamond1/status/1792508517544243416?s=12

If this happen then say goodbye to israel ever working with the UN or ICC again
I know bibi isn't popular but a arrest warrant against it current prime minister? that just asking for a huge controversy.

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https://twitter.com/jdiamond1/status/1792508517544243416?s=12

Israel officials themselves said out loud that Israel is committing genocide.

ICC was forced to do it.

The crime is so blazon that if ICC don't do it, the rest of the world can easily point out the laws don't apply to western countries and their allies.

Who officials?

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The ICC can go piss up a rope.  Israel should immediately make clear that any attempt to enforce this will be treated as a declaration of war.  Hopefully, the rest of the world does the right thing and uses the warrants for Gallant and Netanyahu as toilet paper.

Probably only the western world will use it as toilet paper which means nothing changes expect some more crying from anti-Israelis about how they have a international warrant for Gallant and Netanyahu arrest.

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Israel needs to immediately make clear that any country attempting to carry out these illegal warrants will be treated as if they attempted a kidnapping and hostage-taking of an Israeli official. And start sending Netanyahu around the world with a security force that can repel such an attempt.

Israel should tell the ICC any attempt to arrest Israeli officials will be treated as a declaration of war and we should tell the ICC that we support Israel in doing that

Please, by all means, if you want to save your beloved Bibi from being held accountable, by all means go enlist in his own personal bodyguard then. If stopping Bibi from being arrested is that important to y'all, then frankly what's stopping y'all from doing it?

It's clear you people only care about international law only when it suits y'all's agenda.

Well it realpolitik stuff and I don't think Israel or the dutch with it pro-israeli government gonna allow him to get trialed at the hague.

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https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1792891809498022385?t=IPpsDa69WlKIhX95i4...
Israeli cabinet ministers openly advocating for apartheid but forum members still trying to pretend these are fringe/unimportant figures who deserve the worlds support and aid.

You know i agree with Ben-Gvir points about how Israel should only control Gaza and occupy it, i don't agree with a little bit of his other points especially so called voluntary migration but i do think Israel need to occupy Gaza and do some intense De-Hamasification just like Denazification you know?.

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I feel like Gvir have already tied himself to Israel enough so that  when leftist think of Israel now there going to think of Gvir and Bibi and Gaza
So This might have turned Israel into a partisan-issues in the USA.

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The death toll lately has barely increased. What’s going on on the ground right now?

It either because the death toll is no longer being artificially inflated or they just can't accurately count it now.

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https://twitter.com/hadjalahbib/status/1792527999784361999
Belgian Secretary of State will comply with the decision of the ICC

France, Spain and Germany also have issued statements that they'll respect the decisions of the ICC.

Well look like good ol pappy usa hungary netherlands and a few other western countries controlled by the right will accept bibi visiting them now.

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Only 4,000 Hamas fighters left and counting.


Smoke billows after an Israeli bombardment in Rafah, Gaza, on 6 May 2024 (AFP)

I would never have expected Hamas to be stupid enough to put them all in Rafah.

there was a reason why pro-palestinian on twitter and college campuses cried so much and begged israel not to invade Rafah, they knew it was Hamas last stronghold.

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Spain, Norway and Ireland will recognize a Palestinian state on May 28

Spain, Norway and Ireland have announced plans to formally recognize a Palestinian state, in a move that is likely to bolster the global Palestinian cause but strain relations with Israel.

"Today, Ireland, Norway and Spain are announcing that we recognize the state of Palestine. Each of us will now undertake whatever national steps are necessary to give effect to that decision," Irish Prime Minister Simon Harris told a press conference in Dublin. 

The recognition will come into force in all three countries on May 28, Irish foreign minister Micheál Martin said.

https://www.cnn.com/webview/middleeast/live-news/iran-israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-05-22-24/

So does this mean israel relations with norway, ireland and spain are dead now?.

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Agree, i think Israel Government just have given up on international relations aside from the usa (And that not guaranted) and so to israel the world can cry about genocide as long and loud as it want but if the usa doesn't complain Israel won't stop.

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Agree, i think Israel Government just have given up on international relations aside from the usa (And that not guaranted) and so to israel the world can cry about genocide as long and loud as it want but if the usa doesn't complain Israel won't stop.

Given that these are three left-wing countries that have already had relations breaking down with them for a while, I think it's similar to Brazil - Israel is done taking insults and would rather not have relations with some minor powers.

Worth noting as well that if Palestine is a country, then it declared war on October 7th and Israel has no special obligations to it.

Agree, my prediction that Israel no longer give a crap if some minor power say they cut relations, it will only care to preserve relations with countries that actually matter and are important to Israel
And i bet you when this war over theses countries will immediately pull out Recognization of Palestine when a right-wing government elected so really all Israel have to do is wait when a right-wing government or even just more moderate left-wing government elected in to repair relations.

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Lovely for some of the most historically antisemitic countries in Europe to send such a clear message to Palestinian leadership: if you murder, torture, rape, and kidnap 1,000+ Jews, and then wage war in such a way that civilian casualties are maximized and peace is repeatedly rejected, we will reward you.

And this is not only a message to the palestinian leadership it a message to basically all terrorists across the globe, you can get away with killing a thousand innocent people if you use your own civilians as human shields and cry victim while making sure as many of your own people die.

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Hopefully the Sanction the ICC Bill passes quickly.

It probably will but oh God the protests not just from diplomats but from college campuses across america
I can already see the blue-haired palestinian protestors crying out like a hivemind.

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True the global south was always a lost cause, unless israel destroyed itself it would never be liked by these countries.

I think israel should at least make sure relations with very influencal countries are kept intact and try to repair relations with minor european countries when a more pro-israel government is voted in.

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https://www.archpaper.com/2024/05/benjamin-netanyahu-unveils-regional-plan-free-trade-zone-rail-service-neom#google_vignette

Bibi has proposed a peace plan.

This plan could only work in a magical land where suddenly the entire middle east decided to love Israel, This plan at it fundamental is pretty good I like it but well it complete wishful thinking and need to be remade from the ground up because no-way in hell are the Palestinians or Any middle eastern country going to work with Israel when this war end.

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True the global south was always a lost cause......

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Losing My New Jewish Friend

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Oops i forgot Australia and new Zealand but come on when i am talking about the global south you know my not talking about Australia and new Zealand so The only allies israel have in the global south is probably what? Australia and new Zealand which are culturally globally north and Argentina so the global south still a quite lost cause.

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Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Well Israel did cross the redline by going on the rafah offensive and he did nothing, so wouldn't shock me if he does cross his own redline but well it depend if joe decide rather to put his campaign and the us international reputation on risk for israel.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-aid-deliveries-to-gaza-by-sea-suspended-after-damage-to-temporary-pier/ar-BB1ncuac?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Rough seas stop Gaza Aid pier. IIRC a soldier is already in critical condition a few days ago from an accident.

Look like the Mediterranean Sea is zionist
But to be serious it probably going to take a few days maybe a week maybe a little bit longer for the damage to be repaired.

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Former Republican Presidential Candidate Nikki Haley writes "Finish Them" on an IDF Artillery Shell.

https://twitter.com/emperoreaganite/status/1795550464156504173

Very powerful indeed

I am with Nikki on this one!

Based nikki, Hamas must be destroyed and finished off once and forever.

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US pier constructed off Gaza has broken apart

The temporary pier constructed by the US military to transport aid into Gaza broke apart and sustained damage in heavy seas on Tuesday in a major blow to the American-led effort to create a maritime corridor for humanitarian supplies into the war-torn enclave, the Pentagon said.

The pier was “damaged and sections of the pier need rebuilding and repairing,” Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh said on Tuesday. The pier will be removed from its location on the Gaza coast over the next 48 hours and taken to the Israeli port of Ashdod, where US Central Command will carry out repairs, Singh said. The repairs will take more than a week, further delaying the effort to get the maritime corridor fully operating.

Earlier, four US officials told CNN the pier broke apart in heavy seas.

Part of the pier, which consists of a narrow causeway to drive aid into Gaza and a wider parking area to drop off supplies transported by ship, disconnected on Sunday, the officials said. The parking area will have to be reconnected to the causeway before the pier can be used again.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/28/politics/us-gaza-pier-broken-apart/index.html

So Biden Entire pier operation have been utter failure with it sinking in less than 2 weeks and wasted half a billion dollars?
What effect will this have on his reelection campaign

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The second Trump wins the election (if he wins, which looks increasingly likely) Netanyahu will withdraw all troops from Gaza. Biden only gave him 99% of what he wanted, and that's not enough for the most pampered, entitled country on the planet.

The fact that supposed moderates like Gantz still haven't pulled their war cabinet support to stop this madness reflects awfully on their character too. This is a very sick society.

Leftists are completely delusional about what Palestinian culture is. They think this is some indigenous, peaceful tribe like Mayan civilization in 3000 BC (of course they are wrong about this too) when you listen to some of their language. Unfortunately, reality on the ground suggests if given the capacity they would kill every Jewish person they could.

I'm sure bombing refugee camps will totally change their culture.

Both Gantz and Galland gave a three week deadline that hasn’t passed yet

Not holding my breath.

What is your solution to the conflict then? Eliminate Israel's Jewish majority?

Yeah.

End of minority rule (apartheid).

Glad you finally just came clean about the end game. You danced around it for months. Why is it that Israel gets eliminated but other countries like the Netherlands, Hungary, Romania don't? Couldn't at all be because of the country's Jewish majority? There is no minority rule because the West Bank and Gaza are to be part of a Palestinian state, not Israel.

A one united Democratic Palestine state that grantees the equal rights to Arabs and Jews is the best outcome for all parties involved. When people say they support a one party state they're not talking about wiping an ethnic group out of the region. A state in which is neutral in the ruling of ethnicity will help bring justice to the region while a two-state solution is "separate but equal" proposal. Palestine will still be under threat under a solution where Israel still has the power to invade the nation.

So no Israel? you basically just admitted you want the destruction of Israel?
And please the two-state solution isn't a Separate but equal proposal but the best one we have, a One-state solution where one ethnic group isn't wiped or severely oppressed died long ago.