Out of all the Presidents who were reelected, which one least deserved it?

[Derek]

FDR

[Derek]

The reason I say FDR is because he tried to politically force the supreme court members to resign and wanted to stack the court with left wing ideologues. Plus he didn't even follow Washington's example of 2 terms and then stepping down. I've said the same about Clinton but that's a whole different story.

[Derek]

Lincoln

Lincoln won the Civil War and abolsihed slavery. He deserved to get relected for that. It's a huge tragedy he was assainted, though. Our country would have been much better off right now if it wasn't for that.

Lincoln was psychotic and a manipulative sociopath. You learn about slavery in schools today but really the civil war had little to do with slavery until almost the end. Remember it's the victors who write history and not the victims.

[Derek]

You mean the radical Republicans? ^^ Those were the glory days of the party but like anyone who is in power for too long they became corrupt and were nonexistent between 1929 and 1952. In fact I would even say it wasn't until 1980 that they were fully recovered.

[Derek]

Lincoln

Lincoln won the Civil War and abolsihed slavery. He deserved to get relected for that. It's a huge tragedy he was assainted, though. Our country would have been much better off right now if it wasn't for that.

Lincoln didnt abolish slavery the 13th amendment did. Lincoln destroyed the constitution and would not allow the south to legally succeed from the union, which it had every right to do.

That's true. You never learn the other side of the civil war because democrats don't want it in our text books. Just like they don't want you to know about the black founding fathers. Instead you're taught about America's racist history that is a figment of the left's imagination.

[Derek]

Lincoln

Lincoln won the Civil War and abolsihed slavery. He deserved to get relected for that. It's a huge tragedy he was assainted, though. Our country would have been much better off right now if it wasn't for that.

Lincoln didnt abolish slavery the 13th amendment did. Lincoln destroyed the constitution and would not allow the south to legally succeed from the union, which it had every right to do.

That's true. You never learn the other side of the civil war because democrats don't want it in our text books. Just like they don't want you to know about the black founding fathers. Instead you're taught about America's racist history that is a figment of the left's imagination.

lol

No its not true. Lincoln saved the Constitution. As I already over in the Civil War thread. Secession was not legal or legitimate as there is no basis based on intepretations of the Constitution either now or back then that make it legal. The South was destroying the Constitution because it lost a political fight. Lincoln and the Republican party fought to preserve the Constitution and make sure that it applied to everyone regardless of who had 51% of the vote as it clearly evidenced in the Lincoln-Douglas debates where Douglas claims that a majority in any area, town, county, and state can deny the protections of the Constitution from the minority. Which is one of the reason's the party took the name Republican, was because it opposed majoritarian dictatorship. The south still had everyone of its constitutional protections in place in 1861, it lost a political debate and an election. This was not justification for secession and certainly not arising to the standards laid out by Jefferson in the Declaration for overthrowing the gov't once it no longer protects those constitutional rights.

The other statement about racisim is just ridiculous. You should read Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the US". Though I disagree with the overall anti-US bias, it none-the-less illustrates where we went wrong and thus know how to avoid those mistakes.


The answer is Jackson without a doubt. The guy was a corrupt, egotistical, dictatorial, and irresponsible crook.   

I guess it just depends on which side of the arguement you believe. There have been countless constitutional scholars who have stated that succession was just as legal then as it is today. If you voluntarily join something, your have the right to voluntarily leave it. The south was right!!!!!!

They were right. To say that it's illegal to secede is pointless because once you've done it and set your own rules, then it's no longer legal. Whose side is right at that point? It's too bad we're not taught that in school anymore.

[Derek]

WTF is up with all the Jackson hating? My personal favorite president. I voted for FDR.

Some people don't like Jackson for being emblematic of a lot of the less savory features of the American body politic of the era.  Others don't like him because he opposed South Carolina's effort to destroy the Federal Government via nullification.  Others don't like him because he engaged in a senseless feud with the Second Bank of the United States, which was a major contributing cause of the Panic of 1837, the first major financial reverse suffered in the United States that was not due to some external cause.  Still others don't like him because he founded the Democratic Party.  Jackson is a complex man with much to admire and despise and I doubt that there are few serious scholars of American history who do not hold a strong opinion, either good or bad about him.

Many people like him for those reasons too. The democrats he founded aren't the democrats of today.

[Derek]

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

[Derek]

Definitely George W. Bush -had it not been for 9/11, he would have been another one-term president, like his father. 

What makes you say that?

[Derek]

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

[Derek]

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.

Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.

[Derek]

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.

Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.

I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.

Well than that's FDR, because he was a socialist who wanted to stack the supreme court. Look people here are above simple minded opinions that come with no research or knowledge of facts.

[Derek]

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

I don't know whose source is correct, but just because a President was popular on Election Day doesn't mean he deserved to get reelected if most of his policies were bad.

Then you're talking about nothing other than personal opinions. If opinions were the case I'd have to say FDR but I'm above opinions as are most of the members of this forum.

I asked this question with regards to personal opinions.

Well than that's FDR, because he was a socialist who wanted to stack the supreme court. Look people here are above simple minded opinions that come with no research or knowledge of facts.

FDR was not a socialist. He preserved a free-market economy. And most people here back up their opinions with facts.

Most people here form their opinions by doing research to find what causes the facts. Not just say ok the unemployment rate is high or low so I do or don't like this president.

[Derek]

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

Truman wasn't reelected, just elected once.

Congratulations on splitting hairs. Is it really about being elected or reelected? Or is it about the approval rating on election night? Oh I think we can agree it's the latter and you've changed the subject to find the nitty gritty. Truman's approval rating was 49% when he was reelected.

[Derek]

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

Truman wasn't reelected, just elected once.

Congratulations on splitting hairs. Is it really about being elected or reelected? Or is it about the approval rating on election night? Oh I think we can agree it's the latter and you've changed the subject to find the nitty gritty. Truman's approval rating was 49% when he was reelected.

I explicitly said in this thread that this is about Presidents being reelected, not elected. Thus Truman was not included in the poll options.

yada yada yada. Ok so there has never been a president below 50% approval who was reelected. The one to deserve it the least was FDR because he was a socialist and tried to stack the supreme court.

[Derek]

Going by the times that the presidents were reelected I don't think it's fair to place Bush as the least deserving of it. He was still somewhat popular at the time. I would have to go with Wilson, Truman, or Johnson.

Ya real popular. He was the only president in U.S. history who was re-elected when his popularity was below 50%.

What are you talking about? No, Truman was the only one reelected with an approval rating of 49%. Bush had a 53% approval rating that night. Where do you get your information and why did you say his popularity was below 50%?

Truman wasn't reelected, just elected once.

Congratulations on splitting hairs. Is it really about being elected or reelected? Or is it about the approval rating on election night? Oh I think we can agree it's the latter and you've changed the subject to find the nitty gritty. Truman's approval rating was 49% when he was reelected.

I explicitly said in this thread that this is about Presidents being reelected, not elected. Thus Truman was not included in the poll options.

yada yada yada. Ok so there has never been a president below 50% approval who was reelected. The one to deserve it the least was FDR because he was a socialist and tried to stack the supreme court.

FDR wasn't a socialist and while I disagree with his court packing plan, that was hardly the worst thing any President ever did. And the SC back then was pretty bad--it overturned a law banning child labor back in 1918.

That's no excuse to politicize the courts. All he did was create a generation of people who were dependent on the government for every little thing.