1964: Johnson vs Nixon

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....how did you come up with that?

yes really

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That boom ^^ is what Johnson would've shown if Nixon ran as well.

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lol yea it looked like every other state being red and blue in a pattern. I may have been a little generous for Nixon but he was a hell of a campaigner.

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The north may not have been as democratic then if Goldwater wasn't the nominee. Nixon wasn't a segregation so using a little girl to advance a political and socialist agenda wouldn't have been an option for Kennedy's predecessor.

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That boom ^^ is what Johnson would've shown if Nixon ran as well.

lol. LBJ had 70% approval ratings in late 1964. He would ahve easily crushed Nixon.

That's being short sighted. Think about why and it's because he was being compared to Barry Goldwater who was a victim of far left attacks. The democratic party pretty much used a nuclear bomb on his campaign by putting that little girl in the ad. He was portrayed as an extremist in the south and a segregationist in the north. Richard Nixon was much better known and those who did approve of Johnson would've seen Nixon as a return to what was before JFK which was popular too at the time.

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Johnson wouldn't have been able to use the little girl and the flower against Nixon so the south would be in play. Nixon was not a segregationist so the north would've been in play. Without the vile attacks from the left, it would've been a close race.

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Johnson wouldn't have been able to use the little girl and the flower against Nixon so the south would be in play. Nixon was not a segregationist so the north would've been in play. Without the vile attacks from the left, it would've been a close race.

lol. No, it would not ahve been a close race because LBJ's approval ratings were at about 70%. And without a Southern third party (and in this scenario there is none), Nixon wins most of the South since Southerners would be pissed at LBJ and since Nixon was against affiramtive action and forced busing (unlike LBJ, who favored it).

It would not have been at 70% if Nixon was running because he'd have been seen as a return to the Ike era.

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Johnson wouldn't have been able to use the little girl and the flower against Nixon so the south would be in play. Nixon was not a segregationist so the north would've been in play. Without the vile attacks from the left, it would've been a close race.

lol. No, it would not ahve been a close race because LBJ's approval ratings were at about 70%. And without a Southern third party (and in this scenario there is none), Nixon wins most of the South since Southerners would be pissed at LBJ and since Nixon was against affiramtive action and forced busing (unlike LBJ, who favored it).

It would not have been at 70% if Nixon was running because he'd have been seen as a return to the Ike era.

No. It would have still been at 70% due to the good economy and the popularity of the Vietnam War. And despite the fact taht Ike was reasonably popular in 1960 and that Nixon was seen as a continuation to the Ike era, Nixon still lost.

[derek]BUT JFK STOLE THE  ELECTION !!![/derek]

What? Alot of people think he did with his ties to the mafia but I'm not commenting on it one way or the other. Instead I'm reporting you for libel.

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That boom ^^ is what Johnson would've shown if Nixon ran as well.

lol. LBJ had 70% approval ratings in late 1964. He would ahve easily crushed Nixon.

That's being short sighted. Think about why and it's because he was being compared to Barry Goldwater who was a victim of far left attacks. The democratic party pretty much used a nuclear bomb on his campaign by putting that little girl in the ad. He was portrayed as an extremist in the south and a segregationist in the north. Richard Nixon was much better known and those who did approve of Johnson would've seen Nixon as a return to what was before JFK which was popular too at the time.

Statistically, there is a close correlation between a President's approval rating and the % of the vote they receive in their reelection bids. A President with a 55% approval or higher has over a 90% chance of being reelected, and a President with approvals of 70% will win in a landslide.

Yes but when have we ever had a president with a 70% approval rating other than 1964? Johnson got 61%? That's 9 points lower. The higher the approval rating, the more of a drop you'll see because there are people who won't vote for someone in the other party for a federal office. Take Carter for example. His approval rating was much lower than what he received. There would've been democrats refusing to vote for a Republican for the white house. I can never stress enough how important it is to vote your party for the presidency and for very good reasons.