Ronna McDaniel OUT at NBC News

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

I understand where the sentiments are coming from. Still, there is going to be a fundamental incongruence between the concept of a national news network, and an extended effort to cancel 45% of the country.

Specifically, 1/3 (33%) of Americans believe that the 2020 election was 'stolen' from Donald Trump, which is the issue in question here, so this isn't about '45% of the country being cancelled.'

If we go further with that, 28% of Americans in the last survey believe that September 11 was an 'inside job.' Should those people be represented in the media?

I think news organizations should be able to say that 'believing the facts and evidence as they've been reported by all credible organizations including those with investigative powers is a precondition for the job.'

Of course, any journalist worth their salt who has reason to question the prevailing evidence, for historical instance, any journalist who questions the Warren Commission, should be able to pursue their beliefs, but when the deniers fall into loony conspiracy theories or accusations against people who will be their colleagues, that clearly crosses a line.

If it's predominantly Republicans or '45% of the country' who have a problem with that, maybe they should take a look at themselves and not falsely claim victimhood of being 'cancelled'

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

I understand where the sentiments are coming from. Still, there is going to be a fundamental incongruence between the concept of a national news network, and an extended effort to cancel 45% of the country.

Sorry but this is a bad faith argument and you know it. There is a vast difference between hiring someone who is simply a Republican and hiring someone who is an election denier and was quite literally a part of the scheme to try and steal the last election. No honest news organization would hire someone with those credentials. This very clearly is not about ideology and again, trying to make it out to be purely that is just disingenuous.

You win some, you lose some. Donald Trump has won the 2024 Republican nomination. Choosing to only represent anti-Trump Republicans is either opting not to represent one side of the political spectrum on your network, or to mislead your audience into believing something else*.

I actually don't have a problem with the former if networks are upfront about it. If NBC wants to be clear they will be a Democratic outlet as long as Donald Trump dominates the Republican party that is fine. What irritates me about MSNBC is the insistence on platforming astroturfed "Republicans" who represent nobody but a grift on resistance wine moms.

NBC is justified in not employing Ronna or anyone else but they should be upfront and acknowledge what that decision means, instead of treating it like a fringe view.

1.There seem to be considerably more 'never Trump' Republicans than that. They aren't enough to win anything anywhere, but they are as much as between 25-30% of Republican voters. So, claiming these anti Trump Republicans are grifters is, itself, a grift.

2.In terms of 'representing' the voices of lying grifters like Donald Trump and Ronna McDaniel, I think the media should listen to its highly respected journalists like Edward R Murrow
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.”
― Edward R. Murrow

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

This is a person who has threatened the lives of journalists. For the Republicans here, should a person who has called for Donald Trump to be assassinated be hired by a news organization?

I'm pretty sure she has threatened the lives of journalists, but if I'm wrong on that, it doesn't matter anyway, because according to people like Ronna McDaniels, I can simply make up my own truth and it's as valid as any other truth.

Edit: Ronna McDaniels called for journalists to be put on trial for treason and to be executed.

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

She's awful but I don't blame her; NBC should've never signed the contract to begin with.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1772708877470957849

She had every right to pursue legal action.

It may be too late for most people in most states, but let this be a lesson every time a Republican politician says "America is too litigious.'

There is no bigger user of lawyers and lawsuits in the U.S than corporations and nobody should believe Republican lies about the supposed evils of tort law.

If the first thing a Republican does is turn to the law when they've been wronged, nobody should have their right to sue taken away from them and nobody should feel guilty for accessing legal representation.

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

She's awful but I don't blame her; NBC should've never signed the contract to begin with.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1772708877470957849

She had every right to pursue legal action.

It may be too late for most people in most states, but let this be a lesson every time a Republican politician says "America is too litigious.'

There is no bigger user of lawyers and lawsuits in the U.S than corporations and nobody should believe Republican lies about the supposed evils of tort law.

If the first thing a Republican does is turn to the law when they've been wronged, nobody should have their right to sue taken away from them and nobody should feel guilty for accessing legal representation.

America IS too litigious.  And, yet, for many, the Courts are the only hope for relief from injustice.  

So, yes, I support Ronna McDaniel's lawsuit.  NBC's behavior is as cowardly as it gets.  

Just imagine if Jackie Robinson were cut from the Dodgers after a week because the Southern Cabals on a number of teams raised a collective stink.  (And, indeed, some of them did; there were some on the Dodgers, and the Cardinals had a cabal of Southerners.)  Players threatened to strike.  NL President Ford Frick told them to, essentially, shove it:

"If you do this (strike), you will be suspended from the league. You will find that the friends you think you have in the press box will not support you, that you will be outcasts. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has a much rights to play as another. The National League will go down the line with (Jackie) Robinson, no matter the consequences."

Frick, Ford C. The Pittsburgh Courier: President Frick's Immortal, Uncompromising Statement to Cardinals Who Planned to Strike Against Robinson. 17 May 1947. Page 14.[

Ronna McDaniel isn't Jackie Robinson, but those who ganged up against here didn't have that much more virtue than the NBC staff who were HPs deluded into thinking they were FFs.  If you were fired for your politics, would you just brush it off, or would you fight.  And if you are an employee, would you want them to assert that this is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play baseball, be a TV personality, cut hair, manage a business, etc. as any other citizen.  I'm not a big fan of Ronna McDaniel, but NBC knew who she was when she hired here, then caved to the mob they hired.  That's weak and lame.  I will be happy if she sues and wins.  

Certainly McDaniel was a DEI hiring and certainly the on air NBC staff complained that McDaniel failed to meet the minimum requirements for the job.

I agree it's hard to believe that McDaniel's contract would have prevented NBC from firing her without cause, but one person anyway has told me that her MTP interview may have given NBC grounds to fire her. I don't know obviously but I think she has every right to sue for wrongful dismissal.

As for her claims of defamation, as the truth is an absolute defense against defamation, if she launches that, it should be summarily dismissed and seen as 'an abuse of the legal process in an overly litigious society.'

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

She's awful but I don't blame her; NBC should've never signed the contract to begin with.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1772708877470957849

She had every right to pursue legal action.

It may be too late for most people in most states, but let this be a lesson every time a Republican politician says "America is too litigious.'

There is no bigger user of lawyers and lawsuits in the U.S than corporations and nobody should believe Republican lies about the supposed evils of tort law.

If the first thing a Republican does is turn to the law when they've been wronged, nobody should have their right to sue taken away from them and nobody should feel guilty for accessing legal representation.

America IS too litigious.  And, yet, for many, the Courts are the only hope for relief from injustice.  

So, yes, I support Ronna McDaniel's lawsuit.  NBC's behavior is as cowardly as it gets.  

Just imagine if Jackie Robinson were cut from the Dodgers after a week because the Southern Cabals on a number of teams raised a collective stink.  (And, indeed, some of them did; there were some on the Dodgers, and the Cardinals had a cabal of Southerners.)  Players threatened to strike.  NL President Ford Frick told them to, essentially, shove it:

"If you do this (strike), you will be suspended from the league. You will find that the friends you think you have in the press box will not support you, that you will be outcasts. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has a much rights to play as another. The National League will go down the line with (Jackie) Robinson, no matter the consequences."

Frick, Ford C. The Pittsburgh Courier: President Frick's Immortal, Uncompromising Statement to Cardinals Who Planned to Strike Against Robinson. 17 May 1947. Page 14.[

Ronna McDaniel isn't Jackie Robinson, but those who ganged up against here didn't have that much more virtue than the NBC staff who were HPs deluded into thinking they were FFs.  If you were fired for your politics, would you just brush it off, or would you fight.  And if you are an employee, would you want them to assert that this is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play baseball, be a TV personality, cut hair, manage a business, etc. as any other citizen.  I'm not a big fan of Ronna McDaniel, but NBC knew who she was when she hired here, then caved to the mob they hired.  That's weak and lame.  I will be happy if she sues and wins.  

Certainly McDaniel was a DEI hiring and certainly the on air NBC staff complained that McDaniel failed to meet the minimum requirements for the job.

I agree it's hard to believe that McDaniel's contract would have prevented NBC from firing her without cause, but one person anyway has told me that her MTP interview may have given NBC grounds to fire her. I don't know obviously but I think she has every right to sue for wrongful dismissal.

As for her claims of defamation, as the truth is an absolute defense against defamation, if she launches that, it should be summarily dismissed and seen as 'an abuse of the legal process in an overly litigious society.'

I'm glad you are as opposed to DEI as I am.

If you opposed DEI here you would be arguing that Ronna McDaniel's has no right to sue over "being fired for her politics." (to quote your claim of why she was fired.)

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

She's awful but I don't blame her; NBC should've never signed the contract to begin with.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1772708877470957849

She had every right to pursue legal action.

It may be too late for most people in most states, but let this be a lesson every time a Republican politician says "America is too litigious.'

There is no bigger user of lawyers and lawsuits in the U.S than corporations and nobody should believe Republican lies about the supposed evils of tort law.

If the first thing a Republican does is turn to the law when they've been wronged, nobody should have their right to sue taken away from them and nobody should feel guilty for accessing legal representation.

America IS too litigious.  And, yet, for many, the Courts are the only hope for relief from injustice.  

So, yes, I support Ronna McDaniel's lawsuit.  NBC's behavior is as cowardly as it gets.  

Just imagine if Jackie Robinson were cut from the Dodgers after a week because the Southern Cabals on a number of teams raised a collective stink.  (And, indeed, some of them did; there were some on the Dodgers, and the Cardinals had a cabal of Southerners.)  Players threatened to strike.  NL President Ford Frick told them to, essentially, shove it:

"If you do this (strike), you will be suspended from the league. You will find that the friends you think you have in the press box will not support you, that you will be outcasts. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has a much rights to play as another. The National League will go down the line with (Jackie) Robinson, no matter the consequences."

Frick, Ford C. The Pittsburgh Courier: President Frick's Immortal, Uncompromising Statement to Cardinals Who Planned to Strike Against Robinson. 17 May 1947. Page 14.[

Ronna McDaniel isn't Jackie Robinson, but those who ganged up against here didn't have that much more virtue than the NBC staff who were HPs deluded into thinking they were FFs.  If you were fired for your politics, would you just brush it off, or would you fight.  And if you are an employee, would you want them to assert that this is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play baseball, be a TV personality, cut hair, manage a business, etc. as any other citizen.  I'm not a big fan of Ronna McDaniel, but NBC knew who she was when she hired here, then caved to the mob they hired.  That's weak and lame.  I will be happy if she sues and wins.  

Certainly McDaniel was a DEI hiring and certainly the on air NBC staff complained that McDaniel failed to meet the minimum requirements for the job.

I agree it's hard to believe that McDaniel's contract would have prevented NBC from firing her without cause, but one person anyway has told me that her MTP interview may have given NBC grounds to fire her. I don't know obviously but I think she has every right to sue for wrongful dismissal.

As for her claims of defamation, as the truth is an absolute defense against defamation, if she launches that, it should be summarily dismissed and seen as 'an abuse of the legal process in an overly litigious society.'

I'm glad you are as opposed to DEI as I am.

If you opposed DEI here you would be arguing that Ronna McDaniel's has no right to sue over "being fired for her politics." (to quote your claim of why she was fired.)

She has the same rights other DEI hires have.

Oh sure, but her legal rights here have nothing to do with DEI.

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

She's awful but I don't blame her; NBC should've never signed the contract to begin with.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1772708877470957849

She had every right to pursue legal action.

It may be too late for most people in most states, but let this be a lesson every time a Republican politician says "America is too litigious.'

There is no bigger user of lawyers and lawsuits in the U.S than corporations and nobody should believe Republican lies about the supposed evils of tort law.

If the first thing a Republican does is turn to the law when they've been wronged, nobody should have their right to sue taken away from them and nobody should feel guilty for accessing legal representation.

America IS too litigious.  And, yet, for many, the Courts are the only hope for relief from injustice.  

So, yes, I support Ronna McDaniel's lawsuit.  NBC's behavior is as cowardly as it gets.  

Just imagine if Jackie Robinson were cut from the Dodgers after a week because the Southern Cabals on a number of teams raised a collective stink.  (And, indeed, some of them did; there were some on the Dodgers, and the Cardinals had a cabal of Southerners.)  Players threatened to strike.  NL President Ford Frick told them to, essentially, shove it:

"If you do this (strike), you will be suspended from the league. You will find that the friends you think you have in the press box will not support you, that you will be outcasts. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has a much rights to play as another. The National League will go down the line with (Jackie) Robinson, no matter the consequences."

Frick, Ford C. The Pittsburgh Courier: President Frick's Immortal, Uncompromising Statement to Cardinals Who Planned to Strike Against Robinson. 17 May 1947. Page 14.[

Ronna McDaniel isn't Jackie Robinson, but those who ganged up against here didn't have that much more virtue than the NBC staff who were HPs deluded into thinking they were FFs.  If you were fired for your politics, would you just brush it off, or would you fight.  And if you are an employee, would you want them to assert that this is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play baseball, be a TV personality, cut hair, manage a business, etc. as any other citizen.  I'm not a big fan of Ronna McDaniel, but NBC knew who she was when she hired here, then caved to the mob they hired.  That's weak and lame.  I will be happy if she sues and wins.  

Comparing firing someone who spouts a tin foil hat level conspiracy theory with theoretically firing Jackie Robinson over his race, just because you share the former's beliefs. Wow. Just....wow.

I briefly made that point as well before deleting it thinking "I don't want to get into this."

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

Would MSNBC hire any republican who is NOT a critic of trump even if they weren’t an election denier? Or do you basically need to critizie, callout, and hate trump in order to work there? Say Mike Pence was interested, would they hire him?

Should MSNBC have to? Wouldn't that be a DEI hire?

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

Would MSNBC hire any republican who is NOT a critic of trump even if they weren’t an election denier? Or do you basically need to critizie, callout, and hate trump in order to work there? Say Mike Pence was interested, would they hire him?

I'm pretty sure a basic ability to distinguish between truth and facts versus lies and myth would suffice. Now, where can we find a trump supporter that actually fits that bill?

Ronna McDaniel also called for journalists to be tried for treason and executed, on grounds that she has since admitted that she was paid to state and didn't actually believe (if we can believe what she now says.)

This is what those at (MS)NBC were complaining about, and, as you know that truth is an absolute defense against defamation, if she tried to sue over that, it would be tossed out of court.