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Benjamin Frank 2.0
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« on: March 08, 2024, 03:32:11 PM »

Not if you insist that the Democratic Party push a socially conservative agenda and chastise them for not doing so. The only way you can find space in the Democratic Party is if you accept that Democrats aren't going to push that sort of agenda and be content with the economic one. Social conservatives in the Democratic Party have been replaced by socially liberal Republicans who were forced out of their old party.

I agree with you to the extent that if people want Democrats to advocate a socially conservative agenda then to the degree that Democrats are genuinely socially liberal (it's clearly a finger in the wind social liberalism, but that's probably to be expected), they're going to be disappointed, but obviously in a democratic party people have the right to push for the Democratic Party to adopt whatever platform they want.

Of course that works both ways as fellow Democrats have every right to push back on those who want the Democratic Party to adopt a more socially conservative agenda.

Personally I think the key thing is that the debate remain fact based, but I know many Democrats are more concerned with 'civility.'
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Benjamin Frank 2.0
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2024, 04:10:53 PM »

If you’re against gay marriage, you’re either stupid or evil.

Is that a purity test?
I’m against gay marriage because of my religious beliefs. But I’m not advocating for repealing Hodges

I interpreted this as you wanting to repeal it. I don't agree obviously but a moral objection to ssm while not wanting to take any action legally isn't as bad.

Still not understanding your opposition to legal weed. Seems like a no brainer, only way I can respect such a view is if you are also lobbying to make the far more dangerous alcohol illegal as well.

Heh, some people believe that legal weed results in no brains.
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Benjamin Frank 2.0
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2024, 04:15:17 PM »
« Edited: March 08, 2024, 04:20:28 PM by Benjamin Frank 2.0 »

If you’re against gay marriage, you’re either stupid or evil.

Is that a purity test?
I’m against gay marriage because of my religious beliefs. But I’m not advocating for repealing Hodges

I interpreted this as you wanting to repeal it. I don't agree obviously but a moral objection to ssm while not wanting to take any action legally isn't as bad.

Still not understanding your opposition to legal weed. Seems like a no brainer, only way I can respect such a view is if you are also lobbying to make the far more dangerous alcohol illegal as well.
I don’t think we should lock people up for weed. But I don’t think we should allow its sale or decriminalized drug dealers.

Why? I see no good from weed. Stoners smell. And it’s psychologically addicting. People are better off without it.


And alcohol literally kills people daily from poisoning. Drunk drivers kill people daily. When has weed killed anyone?

Why are you not out there protesting a far, far more dangerous substance that can be picked up at any corner store?

Huh Could you please source that.

I can see a handful of people who sadly every year die as a result of alcohol poisoning over many years but certainly if you are arguing that the alcohol situation presently is like wood alcohol during prohibition I have no knowledge on that.

People who drink themselves to death over many years are referred to, or were referred to as 'slow suicides.' I don't think prohibition did anything to reduce 'slow suicide.' Those are the result of things that are well beyond any short term policy fixes.
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Benjamin Frank 2.0
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2024, 04:19:31 PM »

I don’t think we should lock people up for weed. But I don’t think we should allow its sale or decriminalized drug dealers.

These two statements contradict each other.

Not necessarily. a criminal justice path could include simply taking the marijuana from dealers or it could also include community service or severe fines for convicted dealers but not jail time.
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