Crime in Germany "lowest in three decades"

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Sharpest decrease: Illegal immigration, by 80%.

It's because they're too busy crossing into Austria to steal Tender's bikes.

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Sure, everything in Germany is fine. Jews can safely wear kippas everywhere. Christmas markets do not need Merkel Lego for visitors to be safe. The demographic development is totally cool. Immigrants aren't rioting in asylum seeker centers every two weeks, with the police having to come in order to stop people from slaughtering each other. Great job!

What's wrong with the demographic development?

Do you just hate Muslims as a demographic, i.e. all of them? Why?

Peak leftism. Everyone who wants Germany to remain German, Denmark to remain Danish, the Netherlands to remain Dutch, and so on, must "hate Muslims as a demographic, i.e. all of them". It is not even an argument worth engaging with. Most Europeans want their own people to remain the dominant group in their country, and rightly so.

I'm sorry, David, but it's quite ironic coming from a Jew.

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I'm sorry, David, but it's quite ironic coming from a Jew.

What is the actual argument you are making?

You know, I'm a little confused with where you stand. You're very proud of being a Jew, and then you're going with things as "our birthrates", while referring to Germans or other European nations. I wonder how you define a "German" of a "Dutch" in this particular context. Or what is a "native". Are we talking citizenships from birth or purely ethnic origin?

I'm confused because putting it this way sounds like what the very antisemites were saying about "kicking the Jews back to Palestine", "Jewish influence", "Jewish domination" and such BS. And yes, we both know there was a time Jews made up really sizeable portion of European societies and they were rightly protective of their traditions, religion and values against intolerant neighbours.

As far as I see it, you're both a Jew and a Dutch, so I can't see why you can't have somebody who's both a Dutch and a Muslim of Arab/Turkish descent. Sure, you can say it's about the degree of assimilation to European societies (which doesn't and shouldn't mean giving up your cultural heritage), but if we start to push those less assimilated out, we just don't know where it'll end. There are always going to be assholes who'll want everybody out and you'd just give then a perfect launching pod.

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I fully agree with what David B. has said. Kalwejt's argument that being against uncontrolled extremist Muslim immigration is comparable with the persecution of Jews is wrong, because Jewish people back then never engaged in terrorism, had backwards views on women and wanted to establish a global caliphate where Islam dominates and everyone else is subdued. Also, Jewish people integrated quite well and were wrongfully persecuted. Also, there is nothing wrong with giving priority in trying to raise the birth rates of natives vs. keeping potentially criminal people out of the country, who also have a tendency to destroy the democratic foundations of our countries and our culture in the long-term.

The problem is you seem to look at every Muslim as a potential terrorist/criminal, and that's the very rabbit hole we should be avoiding. For all the differences between European Jews and Muslims in Europe, there's a point when people lose all perspective due to generalizing like this and then bad things happens. Villifiyng the entire ethnic/religious is just wrong. And while I can believe you don't have a hatred/prejudice within you, the way you speak about the issue is troubling.

I'm not saying mass immigration does not present some problems. I'm not saying it's in any way preferable for Arabs/Turks/other Muslims to just move here en masse (also because they deserve to have their own homeland they won't have to run away from or face crippling poverty. At the same time I greatly appreciate to have more diverse societies in Europe). But again, when we start to adopt 0-1 approach, you just don't know where it'll stop.