SENATE BILL: Regional Legislative Petitions Act (law'd)

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Aye

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Really? I have a history of voting against completely useless bills.

Wow, this is truly amusing, Sir.

You said recently that doing what your constituents wants you to do is your first concern as Northeast Senator, their very representative.

You said so during debate on National Initiative, claiming Northeast voters are against it, so you voted against. Well,  apparently NI passed in Northeast (like in every other region). Conclusion? You better be careful when you're claiming you're speaking on behalf of your constituents in general without doing a proper consultation.

But regarding this bill, it's all about making a Senator carrying out an expectations of his very constituents. So what's the problem? Is Marokai being a sponsor the real problem? Or you're just embarrassing yourself again while high?

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Really? I have a history of voting against completely useless bills.

Wow, this is truly amusing, Sir.

You said recently that doing what your constituents wants you to do is your first concern as Northeast Senator, their very representative.

You said so during debate on National Initiative, claiming Northeast voters are against it, so you voted against. Well,  apparently NI passed in Northeast (like in every other region). Conclusion? You better be careful when you're claiming you're speaking on behalf of your constituents in general without doing a proper consultation.

But regarding this bill, it's all about making a Senator carrying out an expectations of his very constituents. So what's the problem? Is Marokai being a sponsor the real problem? Or you're just embarrassing yourself again while high?

Passed? Uh no. Plus those who spoke to me were mostly against. Why do you care anyway? You aren't even in my region. If my Constituents want something, they can ask. I'm not going to need a stupid law for that and if I don't feel like introducing something I wont do it. I doubt anyone will use this at all. I have enough trouble getting PM responses. I would be insulted if some asshole started petitioning me.

1. It's tied and fails only because one voter later modyfied his aye vote, thus invalidating this. I wonder who approached him. Too bad opponents couldn't play fair.
2. Excuse me, some asshole? That's your approachment toward a constituents?

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I think the point some are trying to make is they introduce a bill on behalf a single constituent. And even being asked by one is semi-rare. Which makes this bill unnecessary, because 25% probably won't ever happen...

While I tend to think the same, I've come to a slightly different conclusion: it certainly won't hurt to pass the bill, so why not?

Indeed, on both counts.

When I served as Midwest Senator, I made it clear several times I'd be happy to introduce bills on constituent's request, if asked. Never happened, but I won't take my declared readiness back.

At worst, this bill won't be used much, but why not to have this option?

Petitioning can also be a great experience of grassrot initiative: something Atlasia desperately needs.

@Napoleon I know to say there's no love lost between you and Marokai is a great understatement, as well as everyone around knows my own history with Marokai was difficult at many stages, but please do not insult his experience in lawmaking activity, since it's far wider than yours.

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Kalwejt, you might notice all I've done is dismiss Marokai's insults and lack of self-awareness.

Call me dumb but I don't see anything in his post you've quoted that was warranting or is explaining your reaction.

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The idea that this bill wastes anything is preposterous. Regions should have a say over their Senators, and Senators should be forced to some extent to be kept in touch with their constituents. We have had plenty of instances of inactive Senators that get elected purely on flukes and do nothing, or Senators that don't perform very well even if they are active. We have a citizenry that feels completely disconnected from the lawmaking activities of Atlasia at-large and could use any excuse to get active on any level, and aside from this last session, this Senate could certainly uses plenty of reasons to actually legislate more.

We got way more done before you came, trust me. You must have been a citizen "disconnected from lawmaking activity" in order to make such a preposterous, egotistical statement.

It's always nice when you make statements so patently absurd that I don't even need to seriously respond to them. I would just politely suggest you take a look at my history around here before saying that I have ever been "disconnected from lawmaking."

So you were simply lying to stroke your ego?

Seriously, man, what the hell? Marokai simply stated an obvious fact that Atlasia had, during it's history, a lot of inactive Senators or those who weren't active enough.

Are you going to question that obvious historical truth? Or you think he was refeering to you. Well, in second face, please understand once for all the world is not resolving around you.

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The idea that this bill wastes anything is preposterous. Regions should have a say over their Senators, and Senators should be forced to some extent to be kept in touch with their constituents. We have had plenty of instances of inactive Senators that get elected purely on flukes and do nothing, or Senators that don't perform very well even if they are active. We have a citizenry that feels completely disconnected from the lawmaking activities of Atlasia at-large and could use any excuse to get active on any level, and aside from this last session, this Senate could certainly uses plenty of reasons to actually legislate more.

We got way more done before you came, trust me. You must have been a citizen "disconnected from lawmaking activity" in order to make such a preposterous, egotistical statement.

It's always nice when you make statements so patently absurd that I don't even need to seriously respond to them. I would just politely suggest you take a look at my history around here before saying that I have ever been "disconnected from lawmaking."

So you were simply lying to stroke your ego?

Seriously, man, what the hell? Marokai simply stated an obvious fact that Atlasia had, during it's history, a lot of inactive Senators or those who weren't active enough.

Are you going to question that obvious historical truth? Or you think he was refeering to you. Well, in second case, please understand once for all the world is not resolving around you.

Claiming that this session has been more productive (surely saying that because he's a Senator now) is untruthful considering the two past sessions where objectively more has been accomplished and even debated. Marokai may want to feel like his presence has revived a dead Senate or something like that but it just isn't the case.

Well, you've become quite agressive since Marokai joined us in the Senate.

FTR, I didn't support Marokai and I campaigned for his opponent, but I'm not going to continue fighting once we're working together.

Since you seem to be totally consumed with your personal dislike toward him and since you're letting that feeling dominate everything, ask yourself who's more responsible for this session being, according to your words (and I don't think I can agree) "less productive"? Do we really need this drama?

That said, I found Marokai ready to work together on issues, while I can't say the same about you.

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Snowguy, if you really want to start more active period of your, until now pretty unimpressive, presidency by vetoing a harmless but potentially useful bill and facing quite possible overturn, be our guest. I think you are wasting your political capital that can be used in better way.

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Snowguy, if you really want to start more active period of your, until now pretty unimpressive, presidency by vetoing a harmless but potentially useful bill and facing quite possible overturn, be our guest. I think you are wasting your political capital that can be used in better way.

Defending Ben's lack of activity while trying to smear the President with such claims? Why, Kal?

Wow, we are using big words again.

The Presidency is little more important than SoEA. Until recently, all Snowguy was doing was just signing and vetoing bills. Presidency is about something more.

And it's not a smear. I understand each presidency needs some time to really start. I was a part of three diffrent administrations and I know how it works. And I'm glad he now got involved directly in debate, as much as I may disagree. And I hope it'll stay this way.

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Snowguy, if you really want to start more active period of your, until now pretty unimpressive, presidency by vetoing a harmless but potentially useful bill and facing quite possible overturn, be our guest. I think you are wasting your political capital that can be used in better way.

Defending Ben's lack of activity while trying to smear the President with such claims? Why, Kal?

Wow, we are using big words again.

The Presidency is little more important than SoEA. Until recently, all Snowguy was doing was just signing and vetoing bills. Presidency is about something more.

And it's not a smear. I understand each presidency needs some time to really start. I was a part of three diffrent administrations and I know how it works. And I'm glad he now got involved directly in debate, as much as I may disagree. And I hope it'll stay this way.

He has been involved in the Senate's work. Only the right wing talking points suggest otherwise.

So now I'm right wing. Nice to learn new things.