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Open Source Intelligence
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« on: March 13, 2024, 08:27:49 AM »
« edited: March 13, 2024, 08:37:44 AM by Open Source Intelligence »

I agree more or less. GOP is not a conservative political party as a conservative would've been defined say 20 to 30 years ago. It's one reason I'm no longer a member. That's also why though I think in-roads are being made into some ethnic communities however. Donald Trump's Republican Party hates big business. Mitt Romney's Republican Party loved them. That does fall in line with how most Americans feel if you polled people from both parties. On this front, the Democrats have won as far as attitude toward government. Trump's Republican Party have become the Democrats of "we want a big strong powerful central government to implement our beliefs, give money to our friends/voters, and punish our enemies". Limited restrained government as far as a belief system is a thing of the past and will get brought up occasionally by the party that's in opposition.

Losers in this realignment are:

-Corporate America/Chamber of Commerce (first Obama, now Trump and Biden, we're heavily on the road to a corporatist state where the government holds the stick to beat business with if they don't perform as the government pleases where they exchange size and strength for do as we please, J.P. Morgan is the shining example of this),
-small-l libertarians (pretty self-explanatory),
-and religious conservatives in the long run (nationalism will overwhelm the religious conservatism among the party's electorate, it's already happened really. Religious conservatives are trying to cling to relevance on a national scale similar to the Chamber of Commerce of bite your tongue and go along. I think the next open Republican primary for President will make it more clear their loss of national relevance inside the party.)

I think it will be a net win for ethnic communities in that their vote will get less taken for granted as it becomes more contested, and I expect nationalists will become pro-choice in the long run to remove it as an electoral issue. Most Republican strategist types are already there, they just know there's a section of their primary electorate that are passionately against.
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Open Source Intelligence
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2024, 08:44:25 AM »
« Edited: March 13, 2024, 08:48:32 AM by Open Source Intelligence »

I suspect you will see more and more non-MAGAs retiring before the election, and those will be replaced with more extreme versions. The Republican Party has been on life support for a while, but I think the part, as it was, is dead. That's not to say it will not see more success given the polarization and gerrymandering of our districts, but the old GOP is gone. I don't see it coming back even when Trump is gone.

Yeah. Nikki Haley is Nelson Rockefeller. I mean she might as well be the No Labels nominee. There are forces in the GOP that are going to want to ensure she has no future there if she comes back in 4 years, and it's not like if she went over and supported Biden and the Democrats that they would allow someone like her to have any real influence on what they think and do. I think as far as electoral politics are concerned, she's probably done being a credible candidate for a high office that has a chance of winning for at least a decade.

As a person that's left the Republican Party and am trying to make a thing of the Libertarians where I live, the one thing I'll say that I think Republicans are finally waking up to is organization does matter. Trump in 2016 was nothing as far as organization, and won anyway in part due to the GOP was heavily splintered. This was aided by the party's routine fratricides internally arguably from 2010 forward and was still going on into 2022. It seems these fratricides are becoming less and less this cycle, either due to everyone realizes they need to get along, or more likely Trump has taken over real control of the party and everyone except the Michigan GOP and Nikki Haley's supporters acknowledges it.
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