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« on: December 18, 2023, 12:19:33 PM »
« edited: December 18, 2023, 12:42:53 PM by Open Source Intelligence »

This differs in Protestantism from one church to another. I am a Presbyterian (that attends a Methodist church now) and a person from the presbytery came to our church one day asking us the question do you baptize a person baptized as an infant? He said no because he's already been baptized. I don't really care for that explanation as a person has to know what they are accepting and acknowledge that, and an infant clearly cannot. Modern Protestant churches however do whatever and don't really get deep in the weeds on theology arguments such as this. Churches I've been to I've never seen infant baptisms. Everyone's been at least 8 or 9 I think. For contemporary Protestantism I think that's pretty standard.
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2023, 10:00:42 AM »

No, while baptism doesn't confer Salvation and isn't required for it, Jesus still did command us to be baptized as an external representation of an inward transformation.  That can't apply to an infant, so infant "baptism" isn't truly baptism, but just a baby getting wet.

Also, there's no Biblical precedent for sprinkling in a baptism.  A baptism should be a full immersion.

Damn. My baptism wasn't a baptism. Although I was baptized in a Presbyterian Church by an ordained Baptist.
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2023, 10:04:58 AM »

I would assume the reason why Christ wasn't baptized until adulthood was because John the Baptist wasn't out conducting his own ministry in Christ's infancy.

Anyway, Baptism is the entrance to the Christian world, in my opinion. We enter the secular world in infancy without our own knowledge - I don't see anything wrong with entering the religious world in similar fashion.

(Though this reminds me of a question I've heard in a faith formation class: Why did Christ even need to be baptized? But that's a different discussion for another time).

There's a whole side literature that the more lay believers largely don't know about as far as questions like that. I was in a session from the pastor about a particular issue and he was using the story of the Pharisees brought the woman accused of adultery to try and trap Jesus saying "the law says to stone her, what do you say?", and Jesus starts writing in the sand before telling them "let he who has not sinned throw the first stone". I thought about that and went up to the pastor after it ended to ask: "what do you think he was writing?" He effectively said there's a long list of literature on that point attempting to answer that, but the only correct answer is we don't know.
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2023, 04:03:19 PM »
« Edited: December 19, 2023, 04:12:46 PM by Open Source Intelligence »

No, while baptism doesn't confer Salvation and isn't required for it, Jesus still did command us to be baptized as an external representation of an inward transformation.  That can't apply to an infant, so infant "baptism" isn't truly baptism, but just a baby getting wet.

Also, there's no Biblical precedent for sprinkling in a baptism.  A baptism should be a full immersion.

Dr. Jordan B. Cooper does a great job describing why he finds the Baptist view on this misguided, and I encourage you to check it out.  There’s very clear evidence the early Church - which still had men who had known the apostles - was liturgical and baptized infants.  This whole “true Christianity was lost for a bit until WE figured it out” attitude that Baptists have on this is very … Mormon-esque.  There’s a reason ZERO of the Protestant Reformers disagreed with infant baptism.

Yes. The Lutherans, Classical Presbyterians, and the Anglicans still practice infant baptism.

Lutherans and Episcopalians/Anglicans are on the Protestant spectrum closer to Catholicism, so that list doesn't surprise me.

One thing you see done now that's not infant baptism but similar is dedication, where the parents dedicate to raise a baby or infant according to Christian principles, and the family and church congregation concur that they will do their part to help raise the child.
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