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Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦
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« on: August 23, 2023, 07:29:01 PM »

https://t.me/favt_ru/1278
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According to the airline, the following passengers were on board the Embraer - 135 (EBM-135BJ):

 Propustin Sergey
 Makaryan Evgeniy
 Totmin Alexander
 Chekalov Valeriy
 Utkin Dmitry
 Matuseev Nikolay
 Prigozhin Evgeniy

Oh hell, Utkin too! Of the Wagner triumvirate, only Andrei Troshev seems to have survived. I think the value of the photographs of these two corpses is over the top.
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2023, 07:44:35 PM »


Let’s be honest, can ANYBODY say that they’re surprised this happened?
I am surprised. Considering how obedient the Wagner leadership proved to be already on June 29, and what benefits Wagner brought to the Kremlin as a scarecrow in Belarus and a mine invader in Africa, this vendetta is meaningless. Killing Prigozhin and Utkin is much more appropriate for Ukrainians or Russian guerrillas than for the Kremlin.
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2023, 07:53:13 PM »

I guess it is theoretically possible this is part of the deal Prigozhin struck with Putin and he is only dead on paper. Given his notoriety, I think it'd be rather difficult for him to disappear into anonymity, though, and the obvious explanation is the most likely.
Difficult for him to disappear into anonymity? Hiding is a very common thing for him.

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2023, 06:25:37 AM »

We should never sign peace with Russia, even if Ukraine conquered all land back, we should continue the war and march to Moscow.
It's redundant. If they negotiate with the Chinese in the same manner that they negotiate among themselves, the West will just have to stock up on popcorn.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2023, 06:37:30 AM »

Rest in pieces:


How often does a group get its name after the nickname of a person who is just a "right hand" in it?
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2023, 07:26:06 AM »

Well, this is the case when the way these facts will look in the history book is completely at odds with how it happened in reality, while remaining facts. "Prigo captured part of Russia from Rostov to Moscow, but suddenly realized that he could not take the Kremlin and surrendered. Putin grabbed his ass, put him in a private jet and blew him up in the air. That's all folks!" If folks don't go into details that drastically change this story, everything will look like this. And folks don't like details very much.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2023, 09:57:39 AM »
« Edited: August 25, 2023, 10:06:10 AM by Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦 »

So what do we have?

1. Most likely, Prigozhin and Utkin were really killed, because if it were necessary to fake their death in order to save from Putin's wrath, for some kind of secret operation or for something else, they would have done it just after the secret meeting between Wagner and Putin on June 29. This delay, when Prigozhin was killed just when he completely stopped hyping and went into the shadows (which I predicted), having managed to show loyalty to the Kremlin before that, this delay indicates a real vendetta in the best Sicilian traditions. Also, Prigozhin himself spoke almost with tears the day before about his imminent death. He was no longer as cheerful and self-satisfied as before, during and long after the "mutiny".

2. As the Kremlin propagandists chant in chorus supposedly it's stupid to suspect the murder of someone whom people immediately suspect of the murder, and they point the arrows at the Ukrainians, we can be absolutely sure that the Ukrainians had nothing to do with this and that Putin really ordered this murder.

3. The question arises, why would Putin kill his loyal b****es, putting the country on the brink of civil war? Well, Stalin shot almost all of his generals and marshals so that they would not object to his secret agreement with the Third Reich. Herewith, Stalin accused them of collaborating with the Third Reich. In the current situation, this analogy does not work well, since modern Russia is enthusiastically playing the role of the Third Reich, but we can assume that this purge was also carried out in order to deflect future objections. Nothing is heard about Andrei Troshev, the third of the Wagner triumvirate. In July, Putin announced that it was Troshev who would direct Wagner instead of Prigozhin: https://rtvi.com/news/putin-rasskazal-kto-budet-rukovodit-chvk-vagner-vmesto-prigozhina/  It seemed very strange to me then, because Troshev already direct Wagner, without that. But given the missing puzzle in the form of the assassination of Prigozhin and Utkin, we can now assume that even these two Putin's right-hand men were not loyal enough to accept his plan. And only Troshev agreed.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2023, 10:02:11 AM »

https://t.me/nexta_live/59887 (video)

A certain Wagnerian shows and tells that in the Wagner cemetery some people threw out all the crosses (and possibly black pyramids too), covered the cemetery with rubble and apparently are preparing to make a concrete or asphalt platform there. It looks like the Kremlin will now really annihilate some part of Wagner, both physically and informationally.
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2023, 11:48:15 PM »

Great quote, but the last sentence is very dubious. It's difficult to find a more apathetic and indifferent person than Shoigu. I guess with better reason that Shoigu has long fought to control of the alcohol force with his stomach. Being a FSO division, Wagner is too tough for Shoigu, it's the level of Putin personally.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2023, 11:58:04 PM »

By the way, it's rather suspicious that the Western media are trying with all their might to support Putin's falling apart cover stories, suitable only as an alternative to Marvel movies. Even when Putin blabbed that the Kremlin was spending billions on Wagner's direct funding, they continue to view Wagner as a completely independent private company opposed to the Kremlin. Maybe they are just trying to please their audience, which has the goldfish memory and does not see candy behind the candy wrapper.
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2023, 12:33:41 AM »

anyone questioning why he'd kill Prigozhin does not have any knowledge of Russian history. See: Yagoda being Stalin's main man for purging until he himself was purged.
So what was the reason for Yagoda's killing?
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2023, 05:19:18 AM »

Thank you sir!
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2023, 07:50:32 AM »

Stalin ordered him to kill Kirov, so Yagoda was executed by Yezhov on Stalin's orders, to cover up the original crime.

Then Yezhov was also executed by Beria on Stalin's orders, because everyone in the USSR started to believe Yezhov was the real boss, and to cover up Stalin's involvement.

Basically the mafia habit of executing the executors so they can't talk.

We should expect the ones who obeyed the order to execute Prigozin, to also be executed by Putin.
Now, in this scheme, the reason for concealing the crime is unclear. Mafia bosses do this to prevent the FBI from catching them and putting them in jail. Who is capable of doing the same with Stalin or Putin? They can make anyone in Russia eat a bowl of sh** just by saying it's a chocolate pie and the person will say, "Yes, it's a delicious chocolate pie!"
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2023, 09:48:32 AM »

He probably ordered it months ago, since it takes a long time for anything to go through the cogs of russian bureaucracy.
This delay may be due to the killer's habit of committing delayed killings so as not to fall under suspicion, or the delay may be due to the indecision of Prigozhin and Utkin's refusal to participate in what Putin offered them to participate in, and finally, the delay may be due that Xi is only now finally convinced of Wagner's involvement in the murder of nine Chinese workers in the CAR on March 19, but only not due to bureaucratic cogs, which Putin does not use at all in such cases and did not use this time either.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2023, 09:56:08 AM »

Anyway those who received and handled his orders can be used as witnesses in a show trial to execute Putin, so they will be executed too.
A show trial to execute Putin? If some Kremlin guys decide to kill him, they will do it without any trial, in secret, otherwise Putin's zombies will gnaw them to the bone before they have time to say "trial".
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2023, 07:53:08 PM »

Anyway those who received and handled his orders can be used as witnesses in a show trial to execute Putin, so they will be executed too.
A show trial to execute Putin? If some Kremlin guys decide to kill him, they will do it without any trial, in secret, otherwise Putin's zombies will gnaw them to the bone before they have time to say "trial".
Even Navalny had a complex show trial and has not been executed, yet.

Which raises the question, why did they try to kill Navalny when he was out of Russia but not when he is in Russia ?
Navalny is absolutely safe for Putin. He accuses Putin of corruption. Corruption, Carl! Damn, thanks to Kremlin corruption, the Ukrainians are more effective at kicking Russian Hamas' asses. Naturally, it's to Putin's advantage to save the life of a person who leads the minds of opposition Russians into the world of pink ponies, as does most of the liberal opposition leaders in Russia, many of whom were also imprisoned under Stalin's terms.
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