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Mechaman
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« on: August 02, 2012, 10:58:58 AM »
« edited: August 02, 2012, 12:02:32 PM by James Badass Monroe »

Option D, easily.

This idea that I should, in sometime in my life, feel an indebtedness to serve the state is beyond me.  I mean, I've already paid my taxes.  If the State wants me to serve them, they are going to have to pay me just like any other organization does (which, if we do have some sort of service program I would expect).  And more than they would in Harrisburg.  In regards to the draft, where people are paid, meh I don't think forcing people into the military is good policy due to the possibility of death.

Want to meet people from different backgrounds?  Go outside and talk to your neighbors.  Go downtown and help with a foodbank.  Organize a food drive.  Join a book club.  Go to the library.  It shouldn't be the State's duty to make sure you know people.

And some people wonder why libertarianism is popular.  This is why (though I'm more center left on philosophy).

I do agree with Polnut though, a person SHOULD contribute to society in a meaningful way beyond mere commerce.  I for one have contributed scores of community service hours and unrecorded volunteer hours for the betterment of less off communities throughout the American West.  What should be done is to encourage kids in school to have a certain civic duty to their fellow citizens.  I don't think a Universal National Service (or whatever you want to call it) is necessary.
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Mechaman
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 11:02:01 AM »

In my humble, respectful opinion, options A-C are unambiguously authoritarian choices and D is presented in too much of a biased, nastier-than-necessary manner. That having been said, I value individual rights more so than collective duties and value the defense of the People more so than the defense of the state. I believe that option D is the best available in this list. If a war is truly just and worthwhile the masses will rally to arms and enlist. Any government that is prepared to use its citizens as expendable tools in its quarrels against their will is a grave, albeit latent threat to its own people - a looming and potent enemy from within, so to speak.

There are conditions under which I'd probably enlist - putting my life on the line for something greater than myself - and yet there are also conditions under which I would be alright with a foreign power seizing control of my community, would seek to emigrate abroad, or even take up arms against the state. You see, I am not government property and bow unquestioningly to no authority. That is to say, I'm a free man. Call me a wuss if you like. I will not be ashamed. I also frown upon glorification of gender roles. They are social constructs, and I am not made at all insecure by the fact that my personality and habits are both "masculine" and "feminine."

This.  Times 1,000.
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Mechaman
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 11:14:00 AM »

If the State wants me to serve them, they are going to have to pay me just like any other organization does.  
Conscripted service members are paid equal to volunteers...

I was referring to the argument for Universal National Service, of which I haven't heard people mention monetary compensation.  Maybe there is compensation, but I haven't heard of it.

I apologize for the confusion, should've clarified more.
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