Does the Jesus Christ Party have an effective monopoly over Atlasian politics?

[Alexander Hamilton]

Yes, and it will continue to do so until egos are toppled. I'd much more quickly vote for a bullmoose or a Bacon King than a DWTL or NC Yankee.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

And it would be successful. Imagine. You, Tmth, benconstine, MasterJedi, Al and then some other less prominent... It would serve a purpose.

Likewise, a party containing myself, Einzige, Franzl, bullmoose, even Hashemite.. An NLC-like party would make a great addition.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Al's social conservatism is better suited to that party, in my view, but I'm sure he could fit comfortably in either.

[Alexander Hamilton]

It would be amusing if everyone in 2004 could view this thread with magical future-seeing goggles.

Those were funny times.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I remain convinced that if those of economic centrism and social libertarianism joined together, we could compete.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

Do you speak for AndrewCT circa-early October?

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

Do you speak for AndrewCT circa-early October?

What do you mean?

I mean the things that high-ranking DA members said to/about him.



The DA does well because of the JCP though. The LNF or ARC would do just as well if the JCP picked us. Basically the same success rate of any party that chooses to ride on the JCP's coattails.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Everyone knows the JCP could win all five regional seats in February if they had smart leadership.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I have advocated a realignment for a while...

A social-democratic party
A conservative party
A "populist" Farmer-Labor-esque party
A party for economic moderate/social libertarians

If I did'nt love my DA brothers so I would personally found this party

I think you ought to. I think you, and Democratic Hawk, and Tmthforu94, and benconstine, all have the makings of a nucleus that could interrupt the system, just as I and PiT and Mecha and Hamilton do.

I'm happy with the DA for now though.  I have no reason to leave. And Marokai we in the DA don't have any of the problems you mentioned.

Do you speak for AndrewCT circa-early October?

What do you mean?

I mean the things that high-ranking DA members said to/about him.



The DA does well because of the JCP though. The LNF or ARC would do just as well if the JCP picked us. Basically the same success rate of any party that chooses to ride on the JCP's coattails.

We ride no ones coattails.  Our candidates win because they are good candidates.

How are the DA candidates any better than Al or Lewis? Why aren't the so-called "leftists" in the JCP supporting their ideological brothers. It's simple. The DA is the JCP's little brother and until the party system is destroyed, this will be a continued entrenchment.

[Alexander Hamilton]

The DA does well because of the JCP though. The LNF or ARC would do just as well if the JCP picked us. Basically the same success rate of any party that chooses to ride on the JCP's coattails.

Which is essentially true, and what I meant by this:

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The DA, while a fine organization that I once considered joining, is, basically, a me-too Party. And while I like a vast majority of its members on a personal level, I don't know that it, as an entity, can really offer any but token resistance to the JCP.

Agreed, and if there were any way we could force a realignment, our common ideals would be more successful.

[Alexander Hamilton]

The DA also gets plenty of outside support from like-minded people in or formerly from the RPP, Hamilton. They are not our slaves, nor will we ever treat them like the RPP has.

This is sheer sucking-up. The DA gets support, but not due to ideology. You are much closer to Lewis Trondheim than afleitch. Why not support Lewis, Marokai?

[Alexander Hamilton]

The DA first needs to admit their role as JCP enablers. As long as they get to keep their power (Hashemite in the NE, two at-large seats, and a cabinet position), they will do all they can to help the JCP.

Let's bring politics away from cronyism and back to ideology.

[Alexander Hamilton]

The LNF has offered and does offer genuine opposition: not just to the transitory aspects of the game, to whoever the controversial figure of the day is, but to the system as a whole, to the flawed paradigm that has nonetheless taken root.

Aye, but the LNF is a non-ideological catch-all Party for the disgruntled - good for a protest vote, but hardly a governing Party.

Exactly.

I enjoyed my stay, but I need something more legitimate.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I was recruited by the RPP and am now widely considered their worst enemy. I don't regret that. I belong in a party with economic moderates and social libertarians.

[Alexander Hamilton]

The DA is not just the moderate liberal/moderate libertarian party, though. A commonly forgotten fact is that they're also the mature party not interested in cutthroat tactics, secrecy, and viciously plotting the demise of other parties. We find a good deal in common with them on these issues as well. They also like doing their jobs and voting properly, the latter the LNF seems to have an unfortunate problem with.

They've engaged in cutthroat tactics and secrecy before.

[Alexander Hamilton]

People can criticize me all they want, but many of the people I have encouraged to join have become very active members. I consider it a positive impact. Of course, I can see that from an entrenched elite's perspective it is the absolute worst.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Bring back the SDP.
Bring back the NLC.
Bring back the ACA.
Bring back the CDP.

A perfect party system that will produce competitive elections.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'm not sure if so many parties can coexist.

4 parties?

We have 5 now.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'm not sure if so many parties can coexist.

I certainly think they could. The total vote threshold to win an election would be lowered, but at the same time you'd have something more representative, which I'd consider to be more truly democratic.

And more competitive. Elections are the heart and soul of this game; they must be competitive.

[Alexander Hamilton]

The JCP is the only party that is large. The other four are relatively equal.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Atlasia is in serious need of partisan restructuring. Can we all agree?

[Alexander Hamilton]

If we collectively decided to follow my plan, we could re-establish a balanced party system before February.

[Alexander Hamilton]

If we collectively decided to follow my plan, we could re-establish a balanced party system before February.

What plan?

To create a four party system.

[Alexander Hamilton]

What people often forget is that the SDP joined the JCP for a damn good reason. The party structure at that time was grossly unfair and weighted against left-wingers. When I won my election to the Senate in June, there were no Social Democrats in the Senate. The RPP at one point controlled five Seats, didn't they? It was an unfair system that ultimately led to what we have now.

The problem is not the parties, the problem is the people on the right not getting their sh** together.

The RPP won in a "fluke." And Smid's victory was due to turnout issues.

I agree that the right is a mess, but so is the center, and likewise the left. We all should, for the sake of the damn game, brush alongside old personal beefs and grudges. That is something I'd be willing to do. For instance, earlier today, benconstine and I resolved our personal problems with each other. All Atlasians should follow this step.