Franzl/Swedish Cheese campaign CONCESSION SPEECH

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'll have to think about who I will vote for. Either way, good luck to you Franzl!

Surely Midwestereners support their own.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Endorsed. I wish you the best of luck.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'll have to think about who I will vote for. Either way, good luck to you Franzl!

Surely Midwestereners support their own.

A Midwesterener is runing?

Yes.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'll have to think about who I will vote for. Either way, good luck to you Franzl!

Surely Midwestereners support their own.

A Midwesterener is runing?

Yes.

Who?

I'll have to think about who I will vote for. Either way, good luck to you Franzl!

Surely Midwestereners support their own.

A Midwesterener is runing?

Your regional Senator, MasterJedi. You should probably know that.

MasterJedi is not my senator.

MasterJedi

[Alexander Hamilton]

Will Franzl counter with an RPP member as VP?

That would be a shocker, although I think every RPP member has already declared support for Jedi

The question is would the RPP ostracize a member for participating on another party's ticket. I'd hope not.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'd lol if it were AndrewCT.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Will Franzl counter with an RPP member as VP?

That would be a shocker, although I think every RPP member has already declared support for Jedi

The question is would the RPP ostracize a member for participating on another party's ticket. I'd hope not.

AndrewCT was not ostracised and trust me those of us in the DA on the forum right now are trying to work out who told him privately otherwise...

I wasn't intending to imply that. The RPP is frequently accused of ostracizing members who disagree with one or two powerful members.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Maybe because your secret bylaw bans voting for non-endorsed candidates?

I guess Duke should be punished. And me.

[Alexander Hamilton]

If RB is the running mate Franzl may get a second pref from me.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Will Franzl counter with an RPP member as VP?

Or maybe an RPP turned DA member...

I'd be thrilled if he picked you or any of the others because it seems a change in camp hasn't changed your views.  As I pointed out, you have been the most conservative senator and certainly have a better voting record than NCYank.  It would actually be that kind of selection that could cause the RPP to second preference the DA ticket.  However, I suspect that it will be someone boring and mundane like HappyWarrior or Afleitch or something that the RPP will run to the hills because of

I actually have the feeling you will be quite pleased with the pick, although I assure you it had nothing to do with RPP preferences, but rather with Franzl-compatibility, if you would.

I know who it is.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Oh, and I'll be making my running mate announcement on Monday evening. Feel free to start the guessing game

I love guessing games

Especially if you already know the answer, right?

It's fun to see what other people think.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Update:

I'm looking forward to the bill about the pornography age that will soon be on the Senate floor. It is my intention to attempt to amend it to completely eliminate the minimum age instead of changing it from 18 to 14. I am aware that some people (one senator in particular) won't be pleased with that idea, but I don't see anything that would make such a move irrational. I believe that restricting freedom can only be an option if there are legitimate negative consequences that are the result of certain behavior, such as banning smoking in public, due to the health risks imposed through second hand smoke.

I also wish to state that I completely oppose the current bill illegalizing abortion in Atlasia. I was at one point "pro-life", and indeed, I still find abortion to be a disgusting practice, but I no longer believe that it is in the best interest of Atlasians to criminalize it. We certainly need to work to reduce the number of abortions that take place, but I won't support such a draconian method.

My opinion of you has just gone down.

Well I apologize that my campaign isn't specifically designed to make your opinion go up.

I find remarks like these very condescending. The amount of overall contempt our elected officials in all parties have been showing the mainstream electorate is particularly disgusting. The notion that we, as voters, are somehow beneath the people we elect is ridiculous.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Update:

I'm looking forward to the bill about the pornography age that will soon be on the Senate floor. It is my intention to attempt to amend it to completely eliminate the minimum age instead of changing it from 18 to 14. I am aware that some people (one senator in particular) won't be pleased with that idea, but I don't see anything that would make such a move irrational. I believe that restricting freedom can only be an option if there are legitimate negative consequences that are the result of certain behavior, such as banning smoking in public, due to the health risks imposed through second hand smoke.

I also wish to state that I completely oppose the current bill illegalizing abortion in Atlasia. I was at one point "pro-life", and indeed, I still find abortion to be a disgusting practice, but I no longer believe that it is in the best interest of Atlasians to criminalize it. We certainly need to work to reduce the number of abortions that take place, but I won't support such a draconian method.

My opinion of you has just gone down.

Well I apologize that my campaign isn't specifically designed to make your opinion go up.

I find remarks like these very condescending. The amount of overall contempt our elected officials in all parties have been showing the mainstream electorate is particularly disgusting. The notion that we, as voters, are somehow beneath the people we elect is ridiculous.

^^^^

Does Franzl realize that his comment means one less (potential) vote for his campaign??

I'm sure he does. But I doubt Franzl is looking for votes. The DA has no way to overcome the numbers of the JCP and RPP, even with the LNF at their side. And if the campaign was serious about winning, they'd have picked a different running mate, I'm certain.

[Alexander Hamilton]

And if the campaign was serious about winning, they'd have picked a different running mate, I'm certain.

I have a feeling he will be quite well received

Possibly. But well-received =/= winning.

[Alexander Hamilton]

How were my statements in any way "two-faced" or "double-talking" or showing any form of "outrage", Marokai?

Franzl is quite clear where I stand on the matter.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Can someone please point out where any but Hamilton said the RPP is non-ideological?  The ideology is that the regions should decide everything and the members of our party support conservative causes

You said it just recently.

[Alexander Hamilton]

What would have been condescending is flipping flopping back and forth, changing your positions so that you can make everyone happy (which the RPP, constantly hiding under the guise of non-ideology hilariously attempts to do).

If you are trying to portray NC Yank as a flip-flopper for changing a couple votes in the Senate, then I don't know how you continue to function. He's been pretty solid the whole term with regards to his policy positions, and even so, the person who started this thread recently changed a position. Are you to say that anyone who decides that a certain alternative may be better to their previous way of thinking is a "flip-flopper"?

[Alexander Hamilton]

What would have been condescending is flipping flopping back and forth, changing your positions so that you can make everyone happy (which the RPP, constantly hiding under the guise of non-ideology hilariously attempts to do).

If you are trying to portray NC Yank as a flip-flopper for changing a couple votes in the Senate...

I'm not, I was speaking hypothetically. My point is that taking strong policy stands and understanding that you'll sometimes have to disagree with potential voters is not a sign of condescension but respect of the citizenry.

In that case, Franzl should have said "This is one issue we may disagree on, but there are plenty of others that we agree on and should focus on those aspects of my campaign" or something. I agree that the remark was very PurpleState-esque and I saw the remark as basically saying "Yeah, this is where I stand and I don't really care what you think about it."

[Alexander Hamilton]

Forgive me but I'm not sure how a social liberal can try to please a theocrat under almost any circumstances.

I always thought that Franzl was a social libertarian like myself. Libertarian positions can still appeal to "theocrats".

[Alexander Hamilton]

What would have been condescending is flipping flopping back and forth, changing your positions so that you can make everyone happy (which the RPP, constantly hiding under the guise of non-ideology hilariously attempts to do).

If you are trying to portray NC Yank as a flip-flopper for changing a couple votes in the Senate...

I'm not, I was speaking hypothetically. My point is that taking strong policy stands and understanding that you'll sometimes have to disagree with potential voters is not a sign of condescension but respect of the citizenry.

In that case, Franzl should have said "This is one issue we may disagree on, but there are plenty of others that we agree on and should focus on those aspects of my campaign" or something. I agree that the remark was very PurpleState-esque and I saw the remark as basically saying "Yeah, this is where I stand and I don't really care what you think about it."

With all due respect, precisely that kind of statement would seem very opportunistic and artificial to me.

Give it a rest Franzl, isn't it obvious that you can no longer command respect from people who used to have the uptmost admiration for you just a few weeks ago. Your the one appearing phoney with bogus indignation.

so "commanding respect" = sucking up?

No. But commanding respect means not entering private sites to spy, not plotting to take down a respected Senator whom you were at one time willing to run on a ticket with, running against said Senator for President when he has done nothing since then to make him less qualified, admitting that your campaign is party first even though the DA claims to work "above partisan politics" and though many on this site believe in "Country First, Party Last" regardless of what they think of a certain former and terrible Presidential candidate.

[Alexander Hamilton]

What would have been condescending is flipping flopping back and forth, changing your positions so that you can make everyone happy (which the RPP, constantly hiding under the guise of non-ideology hilariously attempts to do).

If you are trying to portray NC Yank as a flip-flopper for changing a couple votes in the Senate...

I'm not, I was speaking hypothetically. My point is that taking strong policy stands and understanding that you'll sometimes have to disagree with potential voters is not a sign of condescension but respect of the citizenry.

In that case, Franzl should have said "This is one issue we may disagree on, but there are plenty of others that we agree on and should focus on those aspects of my campaign" or something. I agree that the remark was very PurpleState-esque and I saw the remark as basically saying "Yeah, this is where I stand and I don't really care what you think about it."

With all due respect, precisely that kind of statement would seem very opportunistic and artificial to me.

Give it a rest Franzl, isn't it obvious that you can no longer command respect from people who used to have the uptmost admiration for you just a few weeks ago. Your the one appearing phoney with bogus indignation.

so "commanding respect" = sucking up?

No. But commanding respect means not entering private sites to spy, not plotting to take down a respected Senator whom you were at one time willing to run on a ticket with, running against said Senator for President when he has done nothing since then to make him less qualified, admitting that your campaign is party first even though the DA claims to work "above partisan politics" and though many on this site believe in "Country First, Party Last" regardless of what they think of a certain former and terrible Presidential candidate.

So being respected means providing the RPP their ticket to winning the election?

I think we should let the voters decide what respect is about.

No. I did not say that anywhere in my post.

And Franzl, you and I know both know how the voters are going to vote this time.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Agreed....let's stop this....

THat's fine with me. All the points that need to be made have been, time to move on.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'm tempted to first preference Franzl simply because some in the RPP are being such douchebags lately.

*Cough* Hamilton *Cough*

Both of you have had negative opinions of me since 1991, I don't know why the need for "lately."

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'm tempted to first preference Franzl simply because some in the RPP are being such douchebags lately.

*Cough* Hamilton *Cough*

Both of you have had negative opinions of me since 1991, I don't know why the need for "lately."

Hamilton has proven himself to be quite a swell guy. That isn't to say I will vote for whoever he votes for, but he has definitely proven himself to be above the bitchery I see on here sometimes. As for the presidential election, sorry Franzl but you are going to have to wait till election day to see how I vote for. I believe that both the RPP and the DA have got some good tickets that will require that I sleep a day or two on.

Um, maybe you don't read enough of what goes on in here, but he is usually the CAUSE of the bitchery(or at least extends the bitching longer than it should).

See, this here is a completely false statement and you know that. I always tell it like it is, regardless of the partisan affiliation and I also provide evidence to back up whatever I say and make sure that my contributions are worthwhile to progressive discussion. I also listen to what others have to say and consider their point of view, and I long to improve the game. Your clear personal hatred for me doesn't change my opinion of self, and certainly doesn't change what others think of me.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'm tempted to first preference Franzl simply because some in the RPP are being such douchebags lately.

*Cough* Hamilton *Cough*

Both of you have had negative opinions of me since 1991, I don't know why the need for "lately."

Hamilton has proven himself to be quite a swell guy. That isn't to say I will vote for whoever he votes for, but he has definitely proven himself to be above the bitchery I see on here sometimes. As for the presidential election, sorry Franzl but you are going to have to wait till election day to see how I vote for. I believe that both the RPP and the DA have got some good tickets that will require that I sleep a day or two on.

Um, maybe you don't read enough of what goes on in here, but he is usually the CAUSE of the bitchery(or at least extends the bitching longer than it should).

See, this here is a completely false statement and you know that. I always tell it like it is, regardless of the partisan affiliation and I also provide evidence to back up whatever I say and make sure that my contributions are worthwhile to progressive discussion. I also listen to what others have to say and consider their point of view, and I long to improve the game. Your clear personal hatred for me doesn't change my opinion of self, and certainly doesn't change what others think of me.

I'd Comedy Goldmine this if there wasn't a ban on Atlasia-related posts.

Your clear personal hatred for me doesn't change my opinion of self, and certainly doesn't change what others think of me.