Anyway depends on what you define as "win". If its forcing Ukraine to agree to give up Donbass and Crimea, then yeah Russia probably will win but that's such a lol worthy definition of win. The reason for that is Russia when they invaded Ukraine clearly went in with intentions to regime change/conquer Ukraine and they will have clearly failed in that by any definition possible.
A good point.
If the conflict froze now it would be just another typical pyrric victory, in that the captured land is worth less than resources consumed to capture it.
Yup and really if that counts as a win, then Iraq was 100% an American Victory. We not only succeeded in regime changing the Iraqi government and in destroying the Iraqi insurgency, but the Iraqi government that we put in place is still standing do this day and in control of the entire nation.
It cost America trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, a severe recession, and created a fear of War, to secure the oil contracts for American Oil companies that could have been obtained by just bribing Saddam.
America lost the Iraq War, it wasn't worth the price.
I agree, but just saying Russia ending up with Donbass and Crimea would be a bigger failure for them then Iraq was for us.
Oh Ukraine is worth far less than an Oil State, from that point Russia should have tried to annex Kazakhstan which is far easier.
One of the reason Greece is safe from a foreign invasion is that it's almost worthless, the only thing an invader would find is mountains of debt.
Of course there are madmen or idiots who invade poor countries just for the kicks, so you never know.
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