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Question: Given the recent election results, would you now support a united right party?
#1
I'm in POP or RPP and Yes
 
#2
I'm in POP or RPP and No
 
#3
I'm not in either party
 
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Total Voters: 28

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Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl
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« on: October 25, 2010, 06:27:39 PM »

There's really not much in common between the Populares and the RPP.

I have certainly have little-to-nothing in common ideologically with the people on our supposed "unity ticket".
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Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2010, 06:17:32 PM »

There's really not much in common between the Populares and the RPP.

I have certainly have little-to-nothing in common ideologically with the people on our supposed "unity ticket".

Yeah, the AndrewCT ticket just about reached the level of pointlessness.  He probably voted far more often with Bgwah than Libertas in the last Senate.

Which is why he almost won.

Haha, the JCPers are going to try to put the same spin that the Democrats put on the 2008 election.

Fritz and Kalwejt won because AndrewCT and AHDuke weren't moderate enough!
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Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2010, 08:55:26 PM »

What I don't understand is that it's been proven that far-right tickets fail, so why our "moderateness" is blamed for the loss is a mystery to me. We outperformed any Rosettastoned/whoever ticket the POPs have ran in the past. Our politics simply were not an issue. But really, feel free to run a far right ticket in the future and we will see how it performs.

Comparing this situation to RosettaStoned is a little absurd. That ticket was thrown together at the last minute against what was rightly perceived as an unbeatable Purple State/JCP ticket. RS was not a long-time senator or governor with lots of connections to Atlasia. It's quite unfair to slander him or any other previous candidate with such a comparison. They weren't expected to win; this moderate unity ticket was. Certainly the opposition ticket was not that strong, itself being only thrown together haphazardly.

But now we've tried the moderate approach. Libertarians and conservatives gave up our principles to support this centrist/moderate ticket and what did it accomplish? Ultimately, it's the same outcome: four more months of JCP rule.

As Everett Dirksen told Tom Dewey, don't take us down the path to defeat again! Tongue

It's also important to vote the impact Naso had on the race. He basically poached all the RPP voters and then didn't even second preference our ticket. The right will never, ever win elections as long as we have technical issues like that. If we want to remain in the minority, we can continue our current course.

Well that was an internal RPP problem; it's a bit pointless to talk of "right unity" when the RPP itself is not unified.

But perhaps maintaining unity would have been as easy as having at least one member of the ticket known for staunch conservative principles? It never made sense to have a double moderate-moderate unity ticket.

Or at least you or Andrew could have made an attempt to reach out to conservatives and libertarians, who make up the bulk of the membership of both of our parties. Not once do I recall the CT campaign giving us a solid reason to vote for you guys. As I'm sure you're aware, you don't exactly have the sort of record that would endear you to either conservatives or libertarians. Wink

Instead you seemed to not want to be associated with us, wanting to go it alone and not asking for help from existing party infrastructure. I don't know how things went at RPP HQ, but I know the POP turnout operation was not even 1% as active as it was just two months ago, which had unexpected down-ticket ramifications for us as well.

There was a general lack of organization that plagued the campaign. Naso made a Youtube attack ad on AndrewCT; at least a Fritz supporter responded with a counter-ad. But AFAIK nothing ever came from the CT camp. It gave a Deweyesque inevitability to this defeat.




Now this long-winded rant is not intended to be a personal attack on you (nor on AndrewCT), so please do not interpret it as such. I was skeptical of this ticket from the beginning, but I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I remained silent in my criticism before the election because I did not want you guys to lose. I am not opposed to supporting you or Andrew in the future, but I hope you will take some of the things I have said here into account. I hope conservatives and libertarians will not be taken for granted or thrown under the bus as we were in this most recent election. JCPers will not vote for you no matter how 'moderate' you are. And power of personality alone is not enough to win elections.


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