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« on: July 22, 2010, 05:16:25 PM »

“Our American Heroes”
Why It’s Wrong to Equate Military Service with Heroism

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I found this to be a pretty good read. The military idolatry in this country is simply out-of-control.
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 07:12:46 PM »

Your self-righteousness in disrespecting people who serve this nation is vile. No doubt the military bureaucracy is bloated and the directives from presidents are often futile, but to crap on individual soldiers is disgusting.

Thank you for insightful commentary on the article...oh wait you clearly didn't even read the article, you're just regurgitating typical knee-jerk neocon talking points. Roll Eyes

Sorry I don't live in your fantasy land.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 10:41:36 PM »

You're misinterpreting the word 'heroes.'

Our military are heroes, though, not because they are the next Marvel superheroes that are spreading good around the world, but because they are heroic.

They are volunteering their time commitment, putting their lives in danger, and perhaps even sacrificing their lives in order for us citizens back home to remain free, while at the same time liberating others who live in oppressive regimes.

I'm not a big military man (although my passion is indeed foreign policy and international security) in the sense that I don't think it is necessary for our President to have been involved in war before becoming our Commander in Chief. IE, I don't care if our President fought in Vietnam or not.

But to deny that those serving our country over seas are heroic, fighting battles that the rest of us are lucky to evade due to there no longer being a draft, is being pretty disrespectful and ignorant of their actions that are focused on making the nation and the rest of the world a better place.

Except they aren't. Individuals who happen to be in the military may do heroic things, but there is nothing inherently heroic about the military itself.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2010, 11:00:22 PM »

You're misinterpreting the word 'heroes.'

Our military are heroes, though, not because they are the next Marvel superheroes that are spreading good around the world, but because they are heroic.

They are volunteering their time commitment, putting their lives in danger, and perhaps even sacrificing their lives in order for us citizens back home to remain free, while at the same time liberating others who live in oppressive regimes.

I'm not a big military man (although my passion is indeed foreign policy and international security) in the sense that I don't think it is necessary for our President to have been involved in war before becoming our Commander in Chief. IE, I don't care if our President fought in Vietnam or not.

But to deny that those serving our country over seas are heroic, fighting battles that the rest of us are lucky to evade due to there no longer being a draft, is being pretty disrespectful and ignorant of their actions that are focused on making the nation and the rest of the world a better place.

Except they aren't. Individuals who happen to be in the military may do heroic things, but there is nothing inherently heroic about the military itself.

I don't fully see what you're trying to say.

When the troops are announced at baseball games, for example, why do you think the American faithful rise out of their seats and applaud? Because they are recognizing those fallen troops who have given their lives to the cause, they are welcoming back those who have returned safely, and are thanking those who remain engaged in combat in far off lands who's actions are protecting us here at home.

If our troops are heroic, then that makes them heroes.

Because people are sheeple who act in groups as society expects them to. You're deluding yourself if you think the people who stand up and applaud are acting that way for any reason other than that they've been conditioned to do so.

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No, I don't consider illegal acts of aggression to be heroic. Saddam Hussein will look like a good guy compared to the imperial theocratic hellhole we're creating over there.

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Wilson, Truman, Bush are coincidentally some of the worst presidents in U.S. history.

And LOL at the idea that the U.S. engages in these wars for any reason other than serving the interests of corporate elites and neocon imperialism.
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2010, 11:11:37 PM »

You're misinterpreting the word 'heroes.'

Our military are heroes, though, not because they are the next Marvel superheroes that are spreading good around the world, but because they are heroic.

They are volunteering their time commitment, putting their lives in danger, and perhaps even sacrificing their lives in order for us citizens back home to remain free, while at the same time liberating others who live in oppressive regimes.

I'm not a big military man (although my passion is indeed foreign policy and international security) in the sense that I don't think it is necessary for our President to have been involved in war before becoming our Commander in Chief. IE, I don't care if our President fought in Vietnam or not.

But to deny that those serving our country over seas are heroic, fighting battles that the rest of us are lucky to evade due to there no longer being a draft, is being pretty disrespectful and ignorant of their actions that are focused on making the nation and the rest of the world a better place.

Except they aren't. Individuals who happen to be in the military may do heroic things, but there is nothing inherently heroic about the military itself.

I don't fully see what you're trying to say.

When the troops are announced at baseball games, for example, why do you think the American faithful rise out of their seats and applaud? Because they are recognizing those fallen troops who have given their lives to the cause, they are welcoming back those who have returned safely, and are thanking those who remain engaged in combat in far off lands who's actions are protecting us here at home.

If our troops are heroic, then that makes them heroes.

Because people are sheeple who act in groups as society expects them to. You're deluding yourself if you think the people who stand up and applaud are acting that way for any reason other than that they've been conditioned to do so.

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No, I don't consider illegal acts of aggression to be heroic. Saddam Hussein will look like a good guy compared to the imperial theocratic hellhole we're creating over there.

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Wilson, Truman, Bush are coincidentally some of the worst presidents in U.S. history.

And LOL at the idea that the U.S. engages in these wars for any reason other than serving the interests of corporate elites and neocon imperialism.

You have realized that the United States gives the most in aid to countries in crisis, right?
Yes, lot's of money is stolen from the American taxpayers that could have gone to good causes and instead is funneled to theocratic terrorist regimes like Israel, Egypt, and Pakistan.

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George W. Bush didn't do a damn thing for anyone. I didn't know he was a medical researcher or charity worker in Africa.

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There's probably nothing Bill Clinton has ever done in his life that wasn't self-motivated.

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No, not when acting in one's self interest harms the welfare of others.

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No, it's wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2010, 11:20:55 PM »

George W. Bush didn't do a damn thing for anyone.

How dare you criticize Bush like that? He did plenty for a few wealthy defense contractor CEOs.


Mea culpa. You're right, he did do a hell of a lot to enrich his buddies in the military-industrial complex, big oil, the state of Israel, etc.
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