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« on: June 17, 2010, 10:20:28 AM »
« edited: June 21, 2010, 07:09:40 PM by Senator Libertas »

"Government has become so vast and impersonal that its interests diverge more and more from the interests of ordinary citizens. For a generation and more, the government has sought to meet our needs by multiplying its bureaucracy. Washington has taken too much in taxes from Main Street, and Main Street has received too little in return. It is not necessary to centralize power to solve our problems."
--George McGovern
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2010, 10:25:10 AM »
« Edited: June 17, 2010, 10:30:37 AM by Moderate Hero »


How did you vote?

Do you support centralization of power?
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 10:49:16 AM »

HQ, D.  Not only horrible but a stupid quote by a stupid man.  And by the way it wasn't about 'centralization of power' in the way you think it was - it it was about maximization of the centralization of power in the hands of the owning class, and making sure that the working class has no power.  So perhaps it was both sarcastic (if he was only pretending to be stupid) and ironic.

But do you agree with the core message of the quote rather than focusing on who said it?
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 10:57:17 AM »


When I say centralization, I mean the centralization of power in the hands of big government, with decisions being made by bureaucrats in the capital, rather than encouraging local control.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 11:35:49 AM »


When I say centralization, I mean the centralization of power in the hands of big government, with decisions being made by bureaucrats in the capital, rather than encouraging local control.

In that case, i support less centralization than we (by which i mean both the UK and the USA) currently have.

And why is that? You like bureaucrats who live far away making your decisions for you?
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 02:48:52 AM »

HQ, D.  Not only horrible but a stupid quote by a stupid man.  And by the way it wasn't about 'centralization of power' in the way you think it was - it it was about maximization of the centralization of power in the hands of the owning class, and making sure that the working class has no power.  So perhaps it was both sarcastic (if he was only pretending to be stupid) and ironic.

But do you agree with the core message of the quote rather than focusing on who said it?

No, obviously I don't, Libertas.  If you will read my carefully worded critique above you will see that I think his statement is a dishonest attempt to advocate a system in which power is in fact centralized, and most people are dis-empowered.  The man was a power-worshiping liar, he just wanted the power to be in the hands of the rich.

What if it was a liberal Democrat who said it?
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 04:05:55 PM »


Why is it a "stupid quote by a stupid man"?
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 04:36:32 PM »


Why is it a "stupid quote by a stupid man"?

Because it's always easy to say Government takes too much and gives too few, it's just basic populist rhetoric. The reality is that America has one of the lowest tax rates of western countries, and that the means the States has are nothing compared to what he would need in order to ensure basic equality and soical justice.

So the centralized state needs to steal and waste more money in order to make you happy? Why do you get turned on by high taxes and big government?
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 05:39:11 PM »


Why is it a "stupid quote by a stupid man"?

Because it's always easy to say Government takes too much and gives too few, it's just basic populist rhetoric. The reality is that America has one of the lowest tax rates of western countries, and that the means the States has are nothing compared to what he would need in order to ensure basic equality and soical justice.

So the centralized state needs to steal and waste more money in order to make you happy? Why do you get turned on by high taxes and big government?

why do you get a hard on repeating stupid rhetorical talking points that are beat as a dead horse. Arguing for empowering the wealth through terms that have no intrinsic values (i.e small government) gets old after awhile.

why do you get a hard on repeating nonsensical gibberish I can't even decipher
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 06:48:14 PM »


Why is it a "stupid quote by a stupid man"?

Because it's always easy to say Government takes too much and gives too few, it's just basic populist rhetoric. The reality is that America has one of the lowest tax rates of western countries, and that the means the States has are nothing compared to what he would need in order to ensure basic equality and soical justice.

So the centralized state needs to steal and waste more money in order to make you happy? Why do you get turned on by high taxes and big government?

why do you get a hard on repeating stupid rhetorical talking points that are beat as a dead horse. Arguing for empowering the wealth through terms that have no intrinsic values (i.e small government) gets old after awhile.

why do you get a hard on repeating nonsensical gibberish I can't even decipher

ever read edmund burke? I am still wondering what natural rights in the narrow sense means, but i am still able to get the gist, and tone of his message. Sometimes one must read not only between the lines but also connect spiritually with the text.
Alright, good, let me know when you get back to earth and we can get back to the thread topic.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2010, 08:48:27 PM »

"Government has become so vast and impersonal that its interests diverge more and more from the interests of ordinary citizens. For a generation and more, the government has sought to meet our needs by multiplying its bureaucracy. Washington has taken too much in taxes from Main Street, and Main Street has received too little in return. It is not necessary to centralize power to solve our problems."

Libertas, that quote is right on. Keep the tentacles from Washington out of America's heartland.

Good, I'm glad you agree. I had previously thought you were a Bush Republican who favored a centralized police state.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2010, 06:14:33 PM »

Freedom Quote (R)         1 (8.3%)
Horrible Quote (R)         0 (0%)
Freedom Quote (D)         0 (0%)
Horrible Quote (D)         5 (41.7%)
Freedom Quote (I/O)         5 (41.7%)
Horrible Quote (I/O)         1 (8.3%)
   

Well this little experiment in partisan hackery has yielded...predictable results.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2010, 12:27:02 PM »


Why is it a "stupid quote by a stupid man"?

Because it's always easy to say Government takes too much and gives too few, it's just basic populist rhetoric. The reality is that America has one of the lowest tax rates of western countries, and that the means the States has are nothing compared to what he would need in order to ensure basic equality and soical justice.

So the centralized state needs to steal and waste more money in order to make you happy? Why do you get turned on by high taxes and big government?

You are an idiot, you are so retarded that I really wonder why the hell I answered to you initially. If in your little brain you like to think that taxing means stealing, if every time someone disagrees with you your only answer is BIG GOVT= EVIL!!!, then I can do nothing for you. Hopefully you'll finally go away or get banned.

In other words, you have no answer to give.

Good game, Tony.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2010, 07:10:26 PM »


Why is it a "stupid quote by a stupid man"?

Because it's always easy to say Government takes too much and gives too few, it's just basic populist rhetoric. The reality is that America has one of the lowest tax rates of western countries, and that the means the States has are nothing compared to what he would need in order to ensure basic equality and soical justice.

So the centralized state needs to steal and waste more money in order to make you happy? Why do you get turned on by high taxes and big government?

You are an idiot, you are so retarded that I really wonder why the hell I answered to you initially. If in your little brain you like to think that taxing means stealing, if every time someone disagrees with you your only answer is BIG GOVT= EVIL!!!, then I can do nothing for you. Hopefully you'll finally go away or get banned.

In other words, you have no answer to give.

Good game, Tony.

I have no answer because nothing you said was worth an answer. But you are free to think otherwise if it makes you happy.

I just asked you a simple question. Why can't you just answer instead of being rude?
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2010, 06:58:55 PM »

I would expect such a naive statement from the author of this:



It wasn't McGovern's fault that majorities in 49 states were stupid enough to support Nixon over him.
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2010, 10:40:21 PM »

I would expect such a naive statement from the author of this:



It wasn't McGovern's fault that majorities in 49 states were stupid enough to support Nixon over him.

There's just no talking to you is there?

Talk to me.
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