The Liberty Caucus

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I would also like to join.


The Liberty Foundation we founded last month is not the same thing; it's more of an advocacy group. We're going to get started with that when this election cycle is over.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I nominate Dallasfan65 for chairman, if he is willing to serve.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I say let Tmthforu94 join.

And Daniel Adams, I don't believe Einzige speaks for anyone but himself.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Ballot

Chairman

[ ] Giovanni
[ x ] Dallasfan65
[ ] Mechaman
[ ] NOTA (Chuck Norris aka Freedom aka Jbrase)

Vice-Chairman

[ x ]Giovanni
[ ] NOTA (Chuck Norris aka Freedom aka Jbrase)

Voting will continue for 48 hours. Note that a vote for NOTA is not a vote for Jbrase (it's simply a gag.)

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I do not ask for the same views, I ask for similar views, as in not 100% different views.

If you don't like it, leave. Your in the progressive caucus already.

I agree. Sewer is just here to stir up division like the troll that he is.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I do not ask for the same views, I ask for similar views, as in not 100% different views.

If you don't like it, leave. Your in the progressive caucus already.

I agree. Sewer is just here to stir up division like the troll that he is.

Never change, Libertas. "Be an individualist - get like me!"

I do not ask for the same views, I ask for similar views, as in not 100% different views.

If you don't like it, leave. Your in the progressive caucus already.

I agree. Sewer is just here to stir up division like the troll that he is.

I don't need your sh**t coughlin.

Shoo, trolls.

This Liberty Caucus is here to unite people to make a real difference. If you can't get with the program, then kindly get out.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I do not ask for the same views, I ask for similar views, as in not 100% different views.

If you don't like it, leave. Your in the progressive caucus already.

I agree. Sewer is just here to stir up division like the troll that he is.

Never change, Libertas. "Be an individualist - get like me!"

I do not ask for the same views, I ask for similar views, as in not 100% different views.

If you don't like it, leave. Your in the progressive caucus already.

I agree. Sewer is just here to stir up division like the troll that he is.

I don't need your sh**t coughlin.

Shoo, trolls.

This Liberty Caucus is here to unite people to make a real difference. If you can't get with the program, then kindly get out.

Shove it up your ass. Like you said, you speak for absolutely nobody save yourself. "Difference"? Regurgitating the same right-libertarian talking points over and over again? I think not. We will have a voice here and you will not shout us down.

*Yawn*

Can't you at least keep this sh**t isolated to one thread? We don't need to see the same inane ranting over and over again from you derailing every thread.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

While we are making classifications, what am I, since I'm not even a libertarian...

No matter, you are still welcome here. Disregard it if anyone tells you otherwise.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I do not ask for the same views, I ask for similar views, as in not 100% different views.

If you don't like it, leave. Your in the progressive caucus already.

I agree. Sewer is just here to stir up division like the troll that he is.

Never change, Libertas. "Be an individualist - get like me!"

I do not ask for the same views, I ask for similar views, as in not 100% different views.

If you don't like it, leave. Your in the progressive caucus already.

I agree. Sewer is just here to stir up division like the troll that he is.

I don't need your sh**t coughlin.

Shoo, trolls.

This Liberty Caucus is here to unite people to make a real difference. If you can't get with the program, then kindly get out.

Shove it up your ass. Like you said, you speak for absolutely nobody save yourself. "Difference"? Regurgitating the same right-libertarian talking points over and over again? I think not. We will have a voice here and you will not shout us down.

*Yawn*

Can't you at least keep this sh**t isolated to one thread? We don't need to see the same inane ranting over and over again from you derailing every thread.

Once again, go violate yourself long and hard. So long as it's tangential to the subject it will be brought up. You and yours are no longer going to dictate the terms of our political existence.

Frankly, I don't think anyone here, including myself, gives a sh**t about your "political existence". This caucus was founded to give liberty supporters a united voice in Atlasia, not to give you another soapbox from which to sow discord. You could have just acted like a normal person and said you'd try to put aside differences to work with us toward common goals. But no, once again you have to derail the thread to make it all about you.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

And the trolls manage to wreck another thread.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Might as well call this the Troll Caucus. Sorry but I'm out until the mess is cleaned up.

I know, its really a shame. Dallas will have to start a new caucus thread tomorrow.

Please don't leave.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

    Honestly, I doubt the caucus will be hijacked by right-wingers just because a couple have joined. I do think we should volunteer to avoid certain issues, though, since having this sort of internal discord defeats the purpose of having a caucus.

Agreed, thank you.

Nobody has attacked Einzige or his views here, so its more than a little ridiculous to be making such a big deal out of how separate he wants to be from the rest of us.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

    Honestly, I doubt the caucus will be hijacked by right-wingers just because a couple have joined. I do think we should volunteer to avoid certain issues, though, since having this sort of internal discord defeats the purpose of having a caucus.

It's not the presence of right-wingers that bothers me, but the absence of left-wingers and their subsequent marginalization. And so I regard my solution as the sole practicable one: readily identified factions, Left and Right, each of which submits its own policy proposals to be voted on by the caucus as a whole, negotiating in parliamentary fashion, similar to Australian political parties.

Factionalism defeats the whole point of this caucus.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

    Honestly, I doubt the caucus will be hijacked by right-wingers just because a couple have joined. I do think we should volunteer to avoid certain issues, though, since having this sort of internal discord defeats the purpose of having a caucus.

It's not the presence of right-wingers that bothers me, but the absence of left-wingers. And so I regard my solution as the sole practicable one: readily identified factions, Left and Right, each of which submits its own policy proposals to be voted on by the caucus as a whole, negotiating in parliamentary faction.

That's fine, it's a mature solution, but you have to recognize that Sewer Socialist is nothing more than a trouble-making troll who really has no purpose being here other than to wreck this place.

He's considerably less of a troll than Libertas or SPC (but, you see, they tow the line, and hence are perfectly kosher). No, SewerSocialist is in.

No, Sewer is a troll. I'm not a troll nor is SPC. Cut the crap already.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

    Honestly, I doubt the caucus will be hijacked by right-wingers just because a couple have joined. I do think we should volunteer to avoid certain issues, though, since having this sort of internal discord defeats the purpose of having a caucus.

It's not the presence of right-wingers that bothers me, but the absence of left-wingers and their subsequent marginalization. And so I regard my solution as the sole practicable one: readily identified factions, Left and Right, each of which submits its own policy proposals to be voted on by the caucus as a whole, negotiating in parliamentary fashion, similar to Australian political parties.

Factionalism defeats the whole point of this caucus.

The purpose of this caucus - is it not? - is to determine and implement practicable policy solutions with the eventual goal of the minimization or total abolition of the State. And, of course, for all of your bellicosity, I've hardly seen you propose anything beyond vague generalities. You can be my guest if you'd like and try to go it alone - and fail miserably, as is utterly typical of you. Or you can accept constructive criticism from a group which is far more policy oriented than the rag-tag rightists you've thus far gathered here.

We actually intend to get things done, unlike you.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I am a libertarian. Not a "right-libertarian", not a "left-libertarian", but a libertarian. Dallasfan told me the same right before he signed off tonight. Those who wish to sow unnecessary discord among liberty-lovers are our enemy.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I am a libertarian. Not a "right-libertarian", not a "left-libertarian", but a libertarian. Dallasfan told me the same right before he signed off tonight. Those who wish to sow unnecessary discord among liberty-lovers are our enemy.

In other words, we ought all submit meekly to the wise counsel of Our Benevolent Leader, Libertas.

No, no, I hardly think so. Groupthink is unbecoming of anyone. You're not nearly the definition of a libertarian, and your dictatorial personality is proof-positive of it.

No. Amazing how all the things you project onto others are really just characteristics of yourself.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I am a libertarian. Not a "right-libertarian", not a "left-libertarian", but a libertarian. Dallasfan told me the same right before he signed off tonight. Those who wish to sow unnecessary discord among liberty-lovers are our enemy.

In other words, we ought all submit meekly to the wise counsel of Our Benevolent Leader, Libertas.

No, no, I hardly think so. Groupthink is unbecoming of anyone. You're not nearly the definition of a libertarian, and your dictatorial personality is proof-positive of it.

No. Amazing how all the things you project onto others are really just characteristics of yourself.

I think SvenssonRS should like a word with you.

Why, you are suddenly short on words yourself? That's unusual.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I am a libertarian. Not a "right-libertarian", not a "left-libertarian", but a libertarian. Dallasfan told me the same right before he signed off tonight. Those who wish to sow unnecessary discord among liberty-lovers are our enemy.

In other words, we ought all submit meekly to the wise counsel of Our Benevolent Leader, Libertas.

No, no, I hardly think so. Groupthink is unbecoming of anyone. You're not nearly the definition of a libertarian, and your dictatorial personality is proof-positive of it.

No. Amazing how all the things you project onto others are really just characteristics of yourself.

I think SvenssonRS should like a word with you.

Why, you are suddenly short on words yourself? That's unusual.

No; I'm simply not the only one talking.

I've never even had a conversation with SvenssonRS, so remind me why I should care.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

If we complicate things like that, we risk becoming what the real-life LP is often mocked as: a debate club, rather than a serious caucus of people working to get things done.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I'd point out that our two Senators currently are Mint, who leans right, and Winston Disraeli, who leans left. Neither have been discriminated against within.

Correct. People of all beliefs are united.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Libertas, I very sincerely implore you to stop feeding Einzige if you really think he's a troll. This is a policy caucus for those who love liberty, not a launchpad for childish, back-and-forth insult-hurling. At this point, I don't even care who started it - I just beg you to ignore Einzige the next time he posts if he bothers you so much, instead of using this caucus as a fighting ring.

Except I'm not doing any of that.

Einzige said you had something to say to me. I suggest PMing me if this is the case.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I'd point out that our two Senators currently are Mint, who leans right, and Winston Disraeli, who leans left. Neither have been discriminated against within.

Hmm? Mint has not joined the Caucus...

Mint is not online right now.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Libertas, I very sincerely implore you to stop feeding Einzige if you really think he's a troll. This is a policy caucus for those who love liberty, not a launchpad for childish, back-and-forth insult-hurling. At this point, I don't even care who started it - I just beg you to ignore Einzige the next time he posts if he bothers you so much, instead of using this caucus as a fighting ring.

Except I'm not doing any of that.

Einzige said you had something to say to me. I suggest PMing me if this is the case.

By direct-quoting him, you're continually giving him fuel and dragging this on longer than it should have reasonably gone on. I can't condone trolling, but I can hardly condone repeated countering, either. Ignore him.

As for what he mentioned about my needing a word with you, I think that can wait until this caucus is finished with this debacle.

Very well, it is always best to ignore the trolls, but his attempts to force people he didn't like out of the caucus needed to be reprimanded in my opinion.

This thread is shot anyway. Dallas will likely have to start a new one tomorrow.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I still fail to see how exactly it is that I'm supposedly trolling. SewerSocialist wanted to join, Libertas shot it down on obviously ideological grounds.

No. I oppose Sewer because he is a sickening troll who will bring nothing, as we all should. It has nothing to do with ideology if I'm welcome here, if your welcome here, if SvenssonRS and Mechaman and Brandon H are all welcome here. Sewer is an immature and hateful troll who is here solely to mess with us and divide us.

Agreed.

Self-identified "left-libertarians" are not the problem at all. Mechaman for example has called himself a "left-libertarian" numerous times in the past. Though we disagree on some issues, I have no problem with him joining the caucus. Unlike Einzige, he is at least willing to dialogue like a decent human being.

The same goes for tmthforu94 and Daniel Adams, who certainly have just as much a right to be here as you and I do.