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Question: Would you support Ron Paul if he won the nomination in 2012?
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« on: August 21, 2009, 01:06:11 PM »

I would happily vote for Ron Paul in a general election - however, not for the primary.  Like Ann says: "Ron Paul is Neville Chamberlain on national defense".  And I hate that part about his politics.  He does have the social conservative and economic conservative parts wrapped up nicely in a bowl.  And I would love to see our country go back to the gold standard.
Huh? Ron Paul is a non-interventionist, I doubt he'd be launching any wars like Chamberlain did.
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 05:19:49 PM »

I would happily vote for Ron Paul in a general election - however, not for the primary.  Like Ann says: "Ron Paul is Neville Chamberlain on national defense".  And I hate that part about his politics.  He does have the social conservative and economic conservative parts wrapped up nicely in a bowl.  And I would love to see our country go back to the gold standard.

Before he went to war, Neville ceded land to Hitler in his appeasement policy and was determined to make friends out of his enemies before he did anything.  He believed that Hitler's problems were based around the Treaty of Versailles (policy of allied forces) and that he could "win" him over if they just changed things about their own country. "Peace in our time", etc.

Sounds like Paul, when Paul says our actions are causing radical Islamicists to hate us and murder us.  That if we just stayed out of things and kept our noses clean we wouldn't have all of these problems - which is the same fantasy that Chamberlain had.  Paul isnt just non-interventionist, he would have us be attacked before he ever struck at an enemy (though democrats would have us be attacked, and never strike at the enemy - which is why it always makes him a better candidate than any democrat).

Except Ron Paul is right. Interventionism is the cause of the foreign policy woes of 21st century America.

As was the case leading up to both World Wars. Chamberlain was a warmonger who started an unnecessary war of aggression that would engulf the entire world in death and destruction.
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 10:05:36 PM »

Interventionism is not the cause of every foreign policy woe in the 21st century

Actually, yes it is.

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You consider a theocratic U.S. puppet regime to be a "decent state."

I much prefer sovereignty, even for nations that are not my own.

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Right, the government steals billions from hardworking taxpayers and throws it at corrupt African warlords, if it doesn't go first to rogue terrorist states like 'Israel.'

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"Appeasement?" That's laughable. Both world wars were enabled because of the meddling of the U.K. and U.S.A. There would have been peace in his time had Chamberlain not launched an unnecessary and unjust world war.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 10:08:10 PM »


Secondly, at least he's intellectual. The other Republicans would just run on death panels and birth certificates,

Seriously?  Who, besides Palin and Gingrich have mentioned "death panels"?  And I can't think of one 2012 contender who has even mentioned birth certificates.  Also, Romney, Jindal, and Gingrich are at least as intellectual as Dr. Paul.
Jindal? Are you referring to the same Jindal who displayed the intellectual capacity of a fifth-grader in his much-hyped "response" video a few months ago?

Romney is cunning, but no intellectual.

Gingrich is a just a political hack.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2009, 11:08:27 AM »

Jindal, the Rhodes Scholar.  I don't believe an underwhelming speech should have such a large bearing on a person's intellectual capacity.

Maybe you and I have different understandings of what constitutes an "intellectual".  I put a lot of emphasis on level and quality of education,
Education doesn't make one an intellectual. One must be capable of critical thinking, not just regurgitating facts. Jindal deciding to scapegoat volcano monitoring as the source of America's budget deficit was an embarrassment. The juvenile tone of voice just added insult to injury for the GOP.


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Which Jindal clearly doesn't have as evidenced by the first time he was presented as a national figure.
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2009, 11:08:50 AM »

Jindal? Are you referring to the same Jindal who displayed the intellectual capacity of a fifth-grader in his much-hyped "response" video a few months ago?

Romney is cunning, but no intellectual.

Gingrich is a just a political hack.

Right, an undergraduate valedictorian and cum laude graduate of Harvard Business AND Law School is not an intellectual.
G.W. Bush has a Harvard MBA too. What's your point?
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2009, 11:26:55 AM »

Hahaha, if that point wasn't successfully understood, I think we found where the lack of intellect is.
You mean your pathetically weak argument that MBA = "intellectual"?

Unless you consider Bush an "intellectual" as well, which wouldn't surprise me...
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2009, 11:42:56 AM »

Jindal? Are you referring to the same Jindal who displayed the intellectual capacity of a fifth-grader in his much-hyped "response" video a few months ago?

Romney is cunning, but no intellectual.

Gingrich is a just a political hack.

Right, an undergraduate valedictorian and cum laude graduate of Harvard Business AND Law School is not an intellectual.
G.W. Bush has a Harvard MBA too. What's your point?

Bush was never able to exhibit the fruits of his education in the real world.  Romney, on the other hand, has done so in leaps and bounds.  A fact which you obviously choose to ignore.
So Romney may be a good businessman and skilled politician. That makes him the intellectual leader of the Republican Party? What fresh new ideas has this great intellectual come up with?
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2009, 12:18:23 PM »

The requirement for being intellectual is originality in politics?  This is news to me.
No, it is originality in thought. Romney's political career has been defined by instinctively shifting his policies, beliefs, and presentation to whatever he thought would appeal to 51% of the masses. He may as well just have been a computer that automatically changes positions as poll data comes in. Although I'd personally rather vote for the computer.

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If the federal government were run like a business, it would have been out of business long ago. 

Unless he was willing to make the sort of cuts Ron Paul would make, the idea of Romney or anyone else actually delivering on such a promise is laughable.

Not to mention promising to "run government like a business” is one of the oldest clichés in the book anyway.

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Perhaps you've just been voting for the wrong people all this time.

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The issue here is not intelligence. It is being able to apply the intelligence that counts.

But prove me wrong, let's hear all the "fresh new ideas" Romney is putting forth.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2009, 01:18:08 PM »

But prove me wrong, let's hear all the "fresh new ideas" Romney is putting forth.

Ok, go ahead and keep moving the goalposts, maybe you'll "win" something eventually.

Romney's not intellectual!
Well, he hasn't used his intellect, so he's not really!
But he hasn't come up with any new ideas!
So that doesn't make him the intellectual leader of the party!

What a surprise, you came up with nothing.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2009, 02:09:12 PM »

Perhaps you are not familiar with the pointlessness of arguing with someone who moves the goalposts.  Every time I make a point, you change what I have to prove.  I have no interest in engaging in such a fruitless labor.
Just keep flailing around, fezzy. I see you debate about as well as that slimeball Romney does. Fortunately neither you nor him have a chance of becoming president. 
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